If the Patriots can pressure Sanchez the way they pressured Freeman last night I can assure you he will look like a very different QB. Not a knock on him, it's just hard to look good when you have 3 guys in your face every snap.
Freeman didn't really get a chance to get anything going thanks to his OL. They were pretty goddamn awful. They'll get better. This is what the pre-season is for kidz.
its so funny living down in tampa versus coming on this board. the blind allegiance to either/or is funny. people are so quick to compare the two players when theyve been in completely different situations and are asked to do two different tasks. we'll see how Freeman responds to a tougher schedule and the fact the Bucs wont be catching anybody off guard this year. we'll also see if Sanchez can actually look good enough to get us the division instead of having to spend the playoffs on the road.
I've had this argument often with people, so I always have these stats on hand: Last year for Freeman: Vs. teams w/ a losing sched: 9-1 record, 178 of 277, 64%, 2261 yards, 18 TDs, 2 INTs Vs. teams w/ a winning sched: 1-5 record, 113 of 197, 57%, 1190 yards, 7 TDs, 4 INTs He's a lot better than I thought he'd be, and the kid still has a ton of potential, but it's stupid that some people consider him as (or nearly as) a top level QB already. Both he and Sanchez have a ways to go. I'd say they're about even, but Freeman's better for what the Bucs have, a young team still developing their confidence, and Sanchez is better for what the Jets have, a veteran team that needed a kid who wasn't afraid of the big stage right away.
I was curious, so I decided to check the same stats for Sanchez vs losing teams 8-1, 171 of 319, 54%, 2138 yards, 13 TDs 7 INTs vs winning teams 2-4, 107 of 188, 57%, 1143 yards, 4 TDs 6 INTs So they have similar numbers against winning teams, but Freeman has far superior numbers against the weaker teams. All that with inferior talent around him.
I was curious, so I decided to check their playoff stats. Sanchez vs. playoff teams 4-2, 95 of 157, 60.5%, 1155 yards, 9 TDs and 3 INTs. Freeman vs. playoff teams 0-0, 0 of 0, 0%, 0 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs. Inferior talent? The Bucs have a very good, young offensive line. Kellen Winslow Jr at tight end and Mike Williams is a hell of a wideout prospect too. Blount looks like a pretty solid back as well. Go troll somewhere else.
The thing is, if you wanted to make this argument based on their performances last year or overall careers you could. Using the preseason as an example really undercuts what you can assert here. And Freeman isn't bad right now by any stretch, and he's only going to get better.
Why does it matter who is better? Both teams seem happy with their qb and it's really hard to compare their numbers right now. I have to think that Sanchez would have better numbers over his first two years if he was playing the majority of his games in warm weather. At a certain point that becomes moot but as these guys are developing the warm weather has to be a factor.
The Buccaneers played two games against the worst team in football, four games against the NFC West, the Bengals, the Browns, the Lions and the Redskins. That's as tame as schedules get.
It doesnt but Id imagine its because Freeman gets hero worship while Sanchez is regarded as a bum. It's all about fantasy football these days. Freeman has nice numbers.
This is the point. I never said Freeman sucks, but it's a load of shit that this guy puts up decent numbers against a soft dick schedule and is lauded as the second coming of Christ. But Sanchez goes out and wins 4 road playoff games, yet he's overrated. It's fucking bullshit. Can't wait to see how this nappy haired bitch does against real teams.
Just curious, which did you think was better last year, the Jets O line or the Bucs? Do you think Mike Williams, Kellen Winslow, Arrelious Benn, and Sammy Stroughter were better than Holmes/Edwards/Keller/Cotchery? Were Blount and Cadillac Williams a better duo than Greene/LT? Which team had the better defense? Freeman was surrounded by inferior talent last year, no question about it.
Blount was by far the best back on either team, Winslow is a better receiving TE than Keller, Williams was just as good as Edwards or Holmes. They had a ton of talent on that OL and won 10 games against a creampuff sched beating ONE team w/ a winning record all year and that team was resting players in week 17. Freeman also had no expectations to win while sanchez had SB expectations- that is a huge difference. Freeman looks good(as does Sanchez) but we'll learn a lot more about Freeman this year when he has expectations to win for the first time in his career.
Nice job not actually answering the questions. I actually agree with most of what you said, except that I would definitely take Holmes over a rookie Mike Williams. But the reality is there is more than one receiver on the field, so you have to judge them as a group. Same thing with RBs, Blount wasn't the only guy who played. I'd also be very surprised to hear anyone on this board actually believe that TBs O line, even with all their talent (and inexperience) believe they were better than the Jets. I also think the expectations argument is absurd. I only judge players by what they do between the white lines, I don't give handicaps based on what other people think before the game starts.
I would take Blount over LT/Greene, I would have taken our QWR corp over theirs BUT he still had Miake Williams. I would take Winslow over keller as a receiver, he had loads of talent. There is this false perception that he had such a good year w/ no talent around him. Blount averaged 5 yards a carry! Williams had almost as many TDs as Holmes and Edwards combined! Both are good young QBs, Freeman is the better #s guy so far playing w/ no pressure for a team not expected to compete. Let's see what Freeman does this year w. expectations for the first time. I expect both to be very good QBs for the next decade +
In the run up to the draft I couldn't believe no-one was looking to draft him pretty much because of that punch - it was as clear as day he could play - he was the steal of the year.
agreed. the funny thing is, I think the Titans had him in camp, and then they waived him before the season to make room for some additional camp fodder.. Could you imagine a 1-2 punch with Chris Johnson and LeGarrette Blount coming out of the backfield? The Titans really fucked themselves there.
