Breaking down Sanchez's accuracy issue - ESPN Fantasy

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  1. Jetfanmack

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k11_32qJets
    Obviously geared towards fantasy. The conclusion is that he needs to improve his accuracy if the receivers' numbers are going to improve (that's obvious).

    Maybe they think Braylon's terrible routes didn't help out matters. I did like the breakdown of play calls and pass distances though.

    I'm hoping, as well as all Jets fans, that the guy can complete some more passes and make our offense run more smoothly. If he stayed in school, last year would have been his rookie year, and we all know he only played one year in college, so he's pretty raw. But his obvious work ethic and leadership capabilities make me think he's more likely to overcome this and become a winning quarterback.
     
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    Isnt it logical that Sanchez would have a lower completion % if he has a higher % of deep balls thrown ?

    I mean they said he was like 2nd in the nfl in 40 + yard passes, and 9th in 20 + yard passes. Shorter the pass, higher the completion %.

    Am I missing something here ?
     
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  4. NDmick

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    Did you miss the paragraph that explains his difficulty making intermediate throws?
     
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    Its sanchez, its the types of routes he has to throw (20 yard out routes in the driving rain... that's always a smart play call).

    As we saw last week, his three step drop quick throws were perfect.

    He needs to work on hitting those passes that are 17-22 yards down the field. He'll fix it.

    57-59% is the improvement I expect, and then next season he his 61%
     
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    Apparently im still missing it since I dont see anything about Sanchez and intermediate throws.

    Only him throwing the deep ball (20 + yards) and the very deep ball (40+ yards)
     
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    Mark Sanchez pass completion, 2010
    Situation Att Comp Comp Pct NFL Rank
    Pass Behind Line 83 47 56.6 34
    Pass Thrown 1-10 262 160 61.1 31
    Pass Thrown 11-20 105 56 53.3 18
    Pass Thrown 21-30 31 10 32.3 14
    Pass Thrown 31-40 14 3 30.8 15
    Source: Stats Inc
     
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    And Sanchez's numbers his first two years were comparable to Brees, Eli, Mcnabb and plenty of other qbs who started their first two years.

    It seems like most of the good QBs currently playing had numbers in the mid to low 50s their first 2 years (Eli was hot dogg shit his first 2 years). It was just the QBs who began their careers on the bench that had solid #s their first 2 years (Romo, Rivers, Rodgers)

    Its really hard to be worried about Sanchez at this point unless hes doing mid 50s for the next 2 years
     
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    Thats struggling ? 18 out of 32 is roughly dead flat in the middle...

    It seems to me that his short passes is where he desperately struggles
     
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    considering the volume of throws in both short and intermediate, they both need to improve.
     
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    Thats where his absolute smallest volume of throws are though.

    If anything his short term numbers have a massive massive volume, and hands down his ranking among QBs is absolutely horrendous in those categories. It seems that those need to be drastically improved on more than anything.

    His intermediate to long distance numbers are rather satisfactory tbh.
     
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    Personally I think that Braylon's reputation as a bad route runner is overblown, but that's another rant for another thread.

    Sanchez is exactly where we want him to be going into his 3rd year. He has progressed slowly but steadily throughout his first 2 seasons, and I expect his progression to continue this season. The list of 3rd year quarterbacks who have made as many pressure throws (in both the regular season and the playoffs) is very short; that experience is going to help Sanchez a lot going forward.

    I think that #6 can be a great quarterback, but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't have to be great. If Sanchez can merely hold his own, we're going to be in good shape.
     
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    Not mentioned: The Jets had 38 dropped passes. This put them 4th in the NFL.

    Seems if you are evaluating QB accuracy, on target dropped passes would be a factor too.
     
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    In World of Warcraft, Sanchez has a higher completion percentage than all of the dwarves, only two elves are ahead of him.
     
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    Sanchez is very good on the quick slant routes, one of the best QBs in the NFL at throwing those because he freakin zings those in there.

    He is also pretty good at throwing on the run as well.

    It is the throws that require touch that he needs to improve I think. When hes forced to lob it over a defender is when he has trouble, either too far (imcomplete)..or too hard and short (INT)

    I think this is a good place to have deficiencies however, these are throws he should be able to improve on, where the others ones: quick slants, deep outs, are god-given.

    I always felt Schottenheimer should call more quick slants,with priority signing of Santonio (excellent slant route runner: Mason too) and evidenced by the 1st preseason game where he called more. I could see that happening this year.
     
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    No, 160 and 105 are not the smallest numbers.


    83, 31, and 14 are.

    He needs to improve on his intermediate throws too.
     
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    Ah yeah completely read that chart wrong from the way it was laid out.

    His short passes are definitely whats killing him though.
     
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    noodle arm sanchez better start using those shakeweights. Build up his forearm muscle.
     
  19. AarontheJet

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    I can't really complain about that article. Sanchez needs to start making plays when they're available (not just in the clutch). Too many times we come out looking like crap in the first half and he's overthrowing guys or throwing some balls into the ground. We can't repeat that shit this year, he needs to hit his open receivers.

    I do blame some of it on STUPID playcalling, for instance that Vikings game last year. Having the guy throwing the damn ball in pouring rain with a shitload of time on the clock was moronic, especially considering where our field position was. Plus all those damn out routes we call are so damn predictable and the corners seem to just shade inside and pick it off. If we start throwing it to the middle of the field, which is a much easier place to make a play, we should see a huge jump in his completions, BUT he also has to start making the easy plays all-game long and not just in the 4th quarter.

    That said, I think he's going to be very good this year and I'm hoping we'll be celebrating our second Super Bowl victory at the end of the season.
     
  20. Zach

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    If anything, since Jets now have Plax in the mix, slant should be the staple of the offense.

    I just didn't understand why Schotty didn't make use of this simple concept till the playoff time. Slant works for 1. speedy and shifty WR (In this case, Holmes) and 2. big and physical receiver (in last year's case, Braylon) for different reasons. Quick and shifty WRs can make a living off slant pass as all we know, but it's the physical receivers that really help the QBs. While they are not quick and shifty, they can use their body to shield the ball from the defender, so unless 1. the defender tips the ball at the line, or 2. defender knows exactly when the ball is coming (this is not happening, by the way) it's almost a guaranteed completion. As for the Jets, slant to Braylon happened against the Patriots, where Edwards literally dragged two DBs into the end zone. With Plax in the mix? You HAVE to call more of that.

    Once the defense starts anticipating slant to Plax, the offense can do something more; if anybody remembers the SB XLV, the last TD pass to Plax was the slant-and-go route, where Hobbs bit on the slant, leaving Plax wide open in the end zone for the go-ahead score.

    All these can be done by heavy dose of one simple route; quick slant. Schotty! Get your head out of your ass!
     

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