you're right. anyone that goes out of their way to read Florio's e-fecal matter is obviously a retard
Patfanken, you are making yourself sound like an ass. Has to be a MAJOR contributor??? Soooo, going from the #2 wide-out on the ravens to the #3 slot receiver on the Jets is an upgrade in responsibility? OK. And enough of your comments of "but its no guarantee, etc." Thats a cop-out BS argument, nothing is guaranteed. Is it guaranteed that Tom Brady won't go down with another big leg injury? NO. Is it guaranteed that the world won't end tomorrow? NO. Its a stupid argument, and you have to stop using it. Fact of the matter is, Cotchery --> Mason was an upgrade, and anybody who disputes this is just blinded by either (a) their love for Cotchery when he was a Jet or (b) their hate for the Jets. Its an OBVIOUS upgrade. Now, when you're talking about long term, yeah obviously ideally they would have had Cotchery for a longer time at an effective level, but the fact is that probably wouldn't have happened anyway. Eventually he would have wanted a significant raise or significantly more playing time as a number 1 receiver, and I repeat THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. So this is absolutely only a short-term issue, and Mason in the short-term is actually a more proven and better receiver. As for Braylon --> Plaxico, I'm not gonna argue with you there. I disagreed with the move, and am very sad to see Braylon go. However, people are acting as though this is the end-all...its still just the #2 receiver folks. I have never seen so much discussion about a teams #2 receiver being the key to the year. Because its not. At the end of the day, if Sanchez makes progressions in his career the way we expect/want him to, its just not gonna matter. He'll be able to make any receiver with any talent look good. And its not like Plaxico is a DUD...the guy was an absolute red zone stud before his little run in with the law:smile:. Don't compare his situation to Vick's because its not comparable. He's a friggin Wide Receiver standing at 6'5", and none of that changed in prison. I repeat, I didn't agree with the change from Braylon, but I'm not spending a lot of time sulking about it either.
Metsfan, a healthy Cotchery playing at this stage in his career at the third receiver spot is not a downgrade from a 37 year old Mason playing the same position. Your memory is too short. Mason may be a satisfactory to the Cotchery situation, but let us not sugarcoat. And before you assume that Cotchery could injure himself again, remember that hypotheticals are a copout.
I mean, like I said before I think you're a little blinded by your unconditional love for Cotchery. I loved him as a player also (although I did meet him in person and he was kind of a dick). But if you just look at the numbers, he clearly is at least as good if not better than Cotch.
IMHO Cotchery > Mason, but he wanted out, so it's a non issue to me. Mason is certainly a capable replacement.
It was a good move by Tanny to sign Mason after losing Cotchery. Mason mitigates the loss of Cotchery completely.
First thanks for your reasoned responses. Not that I agree with all of them, but I digress. Its NOT the number of catches you should be focusing but the YPC and TDs 7 TD catches isn't a huge number, but I bet its above average for #2 WRs BTW- Derrick Mason hasn't had more than 7 TDs in a season since 2003 and 9 is is tops back iin 2001. Edwards had 16 with the Browns. I don't say this to dismiss Mason but to point out that Edwards is NOT an easily replaceable commodity. And again when you count catches there is that pesky question about who is throwing him the ball at a 54% completion rate. Also you have to consider the type of offense your in, the number of attempts, etc The BOTTOM LINE here Biggy, is that to date, you haven't come close to replacing, let alone upgrading t he skill set you lost with the loss of Edwards And if I haven't made it clear. I would agree that if you can get past the age, Mason is an upgrade over Coth. However if Mason has to be the guy who replaces Edwards, then it isn't I think you misunderstood my response. YOU were the one who mentioned having FOUR WRs who....yada yada yada I just assumed that you meant the rookie as being this 4th great WR....thus my comment. It had nothing to do with Smith's numbers....or lack thereof. BTW one thing Smith's numbers show, is that you were REAL lucky injury wise with your WRs last season if that's how little production you got from your WRs after Cotch Well you have seen MANY more Jet games than I have, but take it from me, Pats fans are very glad to see the last of Cotch. He has killed us I agree, and if healthy and not too slowed down, he will be more than an adequate replacement for Cotchery. However that assessment will be lowered IF he has to take Edwards spot as the #2. He certainly won't suck, but he won't stretch the field either Why do you keep saying that! WHERE IS THE DEPTH - You aren't ever sure of the starting 3 Who's 4, Who's 5, Who's 6. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of this moment, you tarting a legitimate #1 receiver, a 37 year old, and a 34 year old who hasn't played in TWO years, and at #4 a rookie midround pick. It WHAT universe would THAT be considered "depth". Conversely the Pats will start 3 guys who have consistently produced over the last few years, and are younger than Mason and Burress. They have a proven effective back up for Welker in Edelman. Last years starting SE, in Tate a young developing kid who is just into is 2nd full year of playing, and the #6 kid is a 2nd year player who was the best WR in the first preseason game....not that means a whole lot, except it looks promising.....and comforting that your #6 WR looked so good. But this assumes you won't have a single injury issue at WR. That's a lot to ask for when 2 of your first 3 WRs are 34+ This is just WRONG. The only 2 offenses Burress has ever played in were. NEITHER different OR complex. They were all run first offenses who relied on play action a lot. Well the good news is, he;s in the same simple offense in NJ. So if the stats that I've read here are correct. The Jets have trade more than 8 inches of vertical leap for 2 inches of height. Now how does THAT math add up to an improvement. ......and oh yeah. you traded real field stretching speed for someone who ran a 4.6......ELEVEN years ago. What's he running now 4.7, 4.8 Every team you play will have a LB who will be faster than your #2 WR Well that's a reasonable expectation. If he can get his completion percentage up to 60% and his TD pick ratio to 2 to 1, that would be an excellent progression. But the fact is that he will have to do that with a set of WRs that aren't as good as the ones he had last year. BTW - In the end I see Sanchez as being a QB on the par with Matt Hasselback. A very good QB who get you to a superbowl, but not CARRY a team a la, a Brady, PManning ,Rivers, and Brees The only think I would worry about if I were a Jet fan, would be what I hear some of the so called experts say. "You can't coach accuracy. You either have it or you don't" I would start to worry if Sanchez, of the course of a season CANNOT get his completion percentage over 60. As well you should be. The Jets up to the end of last season when Woody went down, had gone through an almost unprecedented period of like 3 years WITHOUT an injury on the OL. I will be VERY surprised if the Jets aren't very active the next 3 weeks in gathering OL depth. BTW players I DON'T want to hear the Jets have signed are the Giant G, and Mark LeVoir. Well the Pats were 32nd in 3rd down D, so we both hope to see improvement in key areas of our teams Well know a little bit more tonight after playing TB. They are better than the Jags and much more aggressive on D, so it will be a good test for the OL. Watching Solder very close. He'll get the start as Light hasn't practiced yet
\ I'll be brief since I spent too much time responding to Biggy already. I responded to this thread because it seemed most were assuming that Plex and Mason were BOTH upgrades over Cotch and Edwards. I just can't see it. I think you can make a case that Mason is an upgrade over Cotch (who I admit was one of my favorite Jets) But I would have a hard time getting over that 37 year old hurdle. But that is an upgrade if he's in the slot. Its not if he's the guy replacing Edwards. If I didn't articulate that well, I apologize. \ As to your assertion the fact Plex is 6'5 makes his addition make sense, explain this. How can trading more that 8 inches of vertical leap for 2 inches in height make sense? He might be a good red zone threat, but IN HIS PRIME he had only 2 seasons with more than the 7 TD catches Edwards had for you last season.
That is not a fact it is conjecture and opinion. Let’s be clear here none of us are bringing facts to the table even when our opinions are backed up by stats. I believe Holmes missed 4 games last year and was very shaky early in the year. He came on big time toward the end and gives us something we didn't have last year a true No. 1 WR who is an elite NFL receiver. You have talked up Braylon but the fact is he was a FA and his value is what it is less than Burress and on par with Mason. That says miles about Edwards. If I'm not mistaken the Pats didn't miss a beat when they outright cut Moss last year a guy who could probably walk on the field and out talent most of the No. 1 WR in the NFL right now.
the only thing certain is that the Jets WR group, as in 2010, remains superior to the Pats WR group.. Welker, Ochostinko and Tate/Branch is no match for Plax, Tone and Mase
Last year the Jets completed fewer than 1/2 the number of TD passes NE did. In the meantime the Jets have likely stayed more or less even in WR talent, while NE has gotten better. The idea that the Jets WR corps is better just doesn't seem to be backed up by any sort of on-field result, and it doesn't look like it will in the future.
Has it ever dawned on you that some teams don't need to pass for 4000 yards a season to beat the pats in the the playoffs? But since you love stats, here's the last Jets pats game: Sanchez: 16/25 194 yds, 3 TD, 0 INTS, 127.3 Rating Brady : 29/45 299 6.6 yds 2TD 1 INT, 89 Rating
Let me see- the topic of this thread is about comments on a Plaxico article. That's why I never pointed out the correct spelling of felcher.
OK, your post had what to do with Plaxico? And as far as felcher, I will take your word that your are an expert on the topic. Felker however is an old Germanic family name which is a derivative of Volker.
