We all remember the explosive plays but how many times did Sanchez hesitate or we saw 2 WR bunched in an area that let the safties off the hook? I really think Edwards while a huge talent has totally skated on it and the team wanted to dump him. Mason is a pro's pro and Plax while a bit of a head case himself keeps a book on every NFL CB and has clearly worked his talent. Chemistry is built on trust and I think you're going to see great chemistry in this group.
There were other factors at work that you did not mention, including the emphasis on the ground game, MS's mediocre completion percentage, that bad stretch of INT's. I am more of a fan of Edwards's than you, too. Cotch was really the problem in terms of production, almost certainly due to him being injured. (It will be interesting to see how he does in the future.) And let's not forget after the top three there was virtually no production coming from the bench. So as I just said Cotch was most likely slated for replacement no matter what. And I like Mason and Burress. In the medium term their ages will present challenges on personnel decisions. But I think it likely they will learn the system quickly, have the talent and experience to be what the Jets need. Again it will be more a question of how well MS makes use of them.
I think Edwards is a huge talent and one of the better WR we have had in years. He is also lazy, dissapears for stretches and runs at best poor pass routes. I have no problem with Edwards on my team but with a young QB who is asked to manage games, veterans and precision may do more for the O then a big play waiting to happen. On top of that if Buress is on his game, he is simply better.
Buress certainly has shown himself to be the better player over the course of his career. I personally am optimistic about how he will do with the Jets. That being said he comes with a question mark due to his absence from the league, but more to the point is years older than Edwards. As I said above this will end up being an issue with him in the medium term, meaning he will not have Edwards's probable longevity from this point going forward.
Raiderjeaux posts great stuff over on FootballOutsiders. He can really bring down the room, so to speak.
The problem here is that people are confusing QB/WR chemistry with roster stability. If you look at the most successful quarterbacks in the new millenium, the ones who are with organizations that have been smart and efficient in free agency and with their salary cap (such as not overpaying for skill positions such as WR) while maintaining a competitive edge, they are the ones who have had the ability to adjust to a rotating cast of characters at the receiver postiion and build fast chemistry with their new targets. Brady, Manning, Rapistburger, and their ilk. I'm not sure if it is by design to develop Dirty Whitejeans, or if it's simply due to Tannenbaum's wheel-and-deal tendencies, but since 2009 when we drafted Sanchez he has been developed and conditioned to work with new receivers each year, to develop new chemistry with new guys on the fly, sometimes halfway through a season, and when it counts in the postseason he has been able to make difference-making clutch passes to the new guys almost better than he could with the ones who had been here. I'm not really as concerned with this as I am with the below average pressure that our edge rushers have applied for 2 years under Rex. 'Concerned' may even be an overstatement in that case, because Rex has in it him to make the defense overcome a lot of weaknesses.
Totally agree. See Brady and his sorry bunch. He sure got a hell of a chemistry with a 1 year wide receiver with touch down records to prove it. Point is, if you are good does not take that long.
Look at these three points from Tom Brady's perspective. I realize there were other factors at play, but Brady exploded after the Moss release and the Branch acquisition. Why is that? 3) Moss doesn't drop balls. Branch has some good hands too, but I'd certainly say Moss has #3 covered. 2) Regardless of the steps he clearly lost, Moss was still damned fast last season. Branch strikes me as a more elusive receiver with better breaks in and out of routes, but I'd have to say that Moss and Branch were on rather equal footing last season in terms of natural speed. 1) Here's the rub. Run the routes and be where you're supposed to be. Don't underestimate the complexity of today's pro offenses. It isn't as simple as square-in, post, curl. On most option routes, the quarterback needs to make his read and release the football before the wide receiver even selects his option. In order for a play like that to work, the quarterback and the receiver need to make the same read and arrive at the same conclusion without communicating. That's why Wes Welker is one of the deadliest slot receivers in the game. Sure, he's got great natural ability, but the reason Welker is a star in this league is his ability to read coverage effectively and select the proper route, play in, play out. And that's also the reason Brady lobbied so hard to have Deion Branch return to New England. It isn't because they're pals; Brady's too much of an egomaniac to let cronyism influence his decisions. It's because he had better chemistry with Deion Branch than any receiver he's had since, with the possible exception of Welker.
Quit dreaming. The Jets are not in the same league as being hated as the Pats are. Go to 4 Superbowls and own a division over a decade and you will find out what hate is.
That's correct. The Jets at least possess some measure of likeability outside their fanbase. The Patriots, none. People don't really like your team when they emulate a man who lacks what we call da social skeeills.
Obsession, by Kraft Belichick. Seriously, PFT is a Jets-hating site from the columnists, but yes, the comments are anti-Jets, as well.
Sorry Biggy I have to stop you here before you TOTALLY go of the track. Holmes, Edwards, and Cotch as far as talent goes, were certainly in the top 10 WRs groupings in the league. Has it ever occurred to you that there is even a POSSIBILITY that the problems with the Jets offense WEREN'T with the receivers????????? Your comments on Cotchery and Edwards really don't deserve comment.But why should that stop me. Over the last 6 seasons, Cotch has NEVER missed more that 2 games a season. OTOH, Plex missed 6 his last season with the Giants, and has had 2 other seasons when he missed a significant number of games. Edwards was clearly your second best WR last season. 900+ iyds, 17+ ypc - 7 TDs THAT'S what you so casually dismiss. Plex won't come close to ANY of those numbers. In 8 season when he was IN HIS prime, he had only 2 with more than 7 TDs Derrick Mason was an EXCELLENT pick up, as possible future HOFer. But guys he's THIRTY SEVEN freakin' years old. Even Jerry Rice slowed down considerably at that time. Now he has to be a major contributor, when he would be much better suited, at this stage of his career to be more of a good role player Jet fans are hoping that Sanchez is going to the next level this season., That is certainly a reasonable expectation, BUT its not a guarantee. And this WR corps ISN'T even as good as last year's trio, let alone the significant up grade you allude to. And deep in your homer hearts you have to know it. (not that there's anything wrong with being a homer) Who's the 4th WR - Are you referring to your promising rookie? Tell me you aren't making bold statements about how great your WRs are based on a 37 year old, a 34 year, who hasn't played in 2 years, and a mid-round rookie. Mason is a consummate pro, who I'm sure will pick up the offense quickly. However WHY would think that Burress will seamlessly pick it up. Do you completely ignore the posts I've read on YOUR OWN board, about reports that Burress was NOT a great route runner and had just as many problems holding on to the ball as Edwards had before last season. Again these comments were made when Plex was in his PRIME. This one belongs in the Homer HOF - Its straight from the heart, and completely ignores the head. I DO NOT deny that it COULD happen just as you have stated. ANYTHING can happen. I should know I was a Pats fan in 2001. :wink: But I was also a Pats fan in 2000, 1991l 1992, 1982, 1973, and more that a dozen other seasons when it DOESN'T happen like you HOPE In this case, Biggy. If you are looking for a quantum leap improvement from your passing offense this season, I think you are hoping for a LOT. JMHO, btw
Its kind of funny reading this, because Pats fans feel the same way about PFT. I wouldn't be surprised if most team's messageboards felt similarly
So adding premier WR free agent is basically idiot's way of saying "We just don't know what the fuck we do here at front office." right?
Lets have some facts. Edwards our big time WR had 53 receptions last year. That's 1 less then our leading pass catcher our TE Dustin Keller and 1 more than Holmes who was suspended for 4 games. Cotch was hurt last year and the year before and his production the last 2 years were in total decline because of it. In his last 5 years his production was 82,82,71, 57 and 41. If you consider that a top No. 3 WR better than Mason I think you don't know squat. Are No. 4 WR last year Brad Smith cought 4 balls, total none factor. You're wrong on Cotchery and while Edwards was productive in big spots he also doesn't catch a ton of balls, doesn't run good routes and is one of the reasons our passing O while 18th in attempts was only 22nd in Completions and 23 in TD's at best pedestrian. Yet far more productive than Cotchery has been at 35 and 36 and unlike Cotchery didn't have off season back surgery. The WR are certainly deeper and may well be better and the TE has another year with Sanchez. If he catches 5 balls he outproduced our No. 4 WR last year. He doesn't have to be great he has catch a few balls when he isn't covered. And if it's not him it will likely be a cut veteran who is also just as likely to be more productive then our No. 4 last year. Buress is a veteran WR with a SB ring who has played in many different and complex Offenses and has produced in big spots as you well know. We don't need him to carry the O we need him to be a big target for Sanchez to find. Holmes is clearly the No. 1 WR on this team something he wasn't last year only because he was suspended for 4 games. When you say quantum leap, yes I expect a quantum leap from the bottom third of the NFL to the top half of the NFL. I think we have the talent in the passing game to do just that with a little improvement from Sanchez and a focussed veteran group of WR lead by Holmes. Last year we had no go to guy and I think that also was a problem. I like my O the only thing that does scare me is the depth at OL. I simply don't get everyone acting like we had this great passing O last year we didn't it was mediocre at best with a handful of big plays. I want a consistent O that moves the ball, changes Field position, eats clock and scores in the red zone. We weren't very good in any of those catagories last year especially when you consider that we had a top 5 D that gave the ball to our O in good field position over and over again.
I seriously didn't read a single comment from anyone that had the slightest clue about football. even on ESPN you get something sensible occasionally mixed in amongst the piles of shit
I can remember so many plays last year where Sanchez would drop back to pass, look through his progressions, and find nothing. Since Holmes is more of threat on any given play, he saw most of the double teams. Braylon was simply not that productive for someone who wanted near #1 WR money. Not to mention his shananigans. At least Sanchez could hurl it up to Plax if he needs to make a completion. Mason also gives us a great slot guy so Sanchez can up his completion %. LT, Greene and Keller need to step it up in that area too.
PFT is a total joke. I don't think I've ever read one Jets article on that site where they didn't throw in a jab at the organization.
