I wish this forum had some of their advanced features. You can give someone little hearts if you just love their posts, and everyone gets a little icon that shows what mood they're in. Plus, there's a discreet gay dating section called "Patriots Fan Tailgate Meet Ups".
I should have taken the warning NOT to interact with you. BUT since you took the time to respond, it would be rude not to reply. Your premise is that without Brady the Pats will fall back into the pack of mediocrity. What part of the 2008 season DON'T you get. Do you simply ignore anything that doesn't fit your opinion. Tell me Soxx, what happened to the Pats when Brady wasn't there? Is winning 11 games mediocrity now in Jet land. Instead you fall back on the tired old song that he "failed" in Cleveland. You don't mention he inherited the worst team in the league and within 3 years he had them in the playoffs. that was in a time where there wasn't easy FA or player movement like you see today. You don't mention that they were 4-1 when their idiot owner announces that he's moving one of the more storied franchizes in the league. Quite understandably it didn't go well after that. While in Cleveland he got rid of the fan's favorite player (which WAS the right move) He had bad relations with the press (some of it his fault) He learned from that experience. You ignore the FACT that every place he worked when he was the DC, their defenses got better. Every place he worked when he was a HC, the teams got better When he took over the Pats in 2000 they were a team in cap hell. He rebuilt it in his own image. After a 5-11 season, not only was it reported his job was in jeopardy, in the spring of 2001 ProFootball Weekly's, editor wrote an article naming the 5 teams LEAST likely to win a superbowl in the next 5 years. #1 on that list was.....wait for it......the New England Patriots. I know you can appreciate the irony So Soxx, if you think the sun has set on the Patriots being a contender, than you do so at your own peril. If you are a betting man and I were your bookie, I'd be looking for a bigger, more expensive house:wink:
^^ Note: 1) soxxx thinks press conferenced actually start when hits the 'play' button on the video. 2) smilies aren't punctuation marks unless you are a 12 year old girl.
What in the world did you get out of a 2nd place finish and no playoff appearance? 2 average season and 5 horrible ones isnt a convincing arguement... AT ALL. I can already see all you banwagon fans calling for Belichick to get fired after the first losing season. Hell ALOT of Patriots fans wanted Belichick fired after last year, if things start to go bad Bill will find the door really quickly.
Your arguement to counter my evidence that bill has been horrible for 5 season is by bringing up season in which you didnt even make the playoffs? Are you trying to help my side of the arguement? im fucking confused
And my final post is I actually thought it would be in the better interest for the Patriots to TRADE Brady for a couple first round draft picks and keep Cassell. And as these year are beginning to pile on it, it does look like I might be correct afterall. The Patriots have done absolutely NOTHING since Cassell left. Hell I believe if Cassell was still around the Patriots would have won at least one playoff game these last 2 season. And actually Cassell couldnt have done worse than what Brady has done the last 2 years (2 embbarassing playoff losses) Instead you could have had Cassell who has completely turned the Chiefs around and also would have recieved a couple first round draft picks. Now your stuck with this QB who hasnt won you playoff game since then, and his career running out of time, while Cassell would have been around much longer. To late now though!
Pat: If they were in cap hell why did they give Bledsoes that insane contract? They did a good job in 2008 winning 6 less games w/ Cassell as their starter than the year before against a MUCH easier schedule and missing the playoffs. BB has developed into a great HC, he never would have had that chance if Brady didn't rescue his career but don't expect it to be smooth sailing once TB does retire.
He doesnt realize what we're talking about. Ill give all the credit in the world to Belichick for finding and winning with Brady. What they did together was incredible don't get me wrong. The problem though is with Brady, Belichick is one of the greatest coaches ever. Without Brady he is a losing coach. 7 season without Brady he has compiled a losing record of 52-60 with only 1 playoff appearance. His only arguement to prove to me that Belichick is going to be good without Brady, is because in 2008 he carried a team without Brady that didnt even make the playoffs even after coming off the greatest regular season ever. I dont understand what he is trying to prove by bringing up 2008? you didnt make the playoffs after you went 16-0 the year before. On the other hand I have a sample of 6 seasons where Belichick only made the playoffs once. I think my sample of 6 seasons is a lot more likely to happen than your 1 season that you didnt even make the playoffs.
This is really disturbing. WTF is a 'binkie'? http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/791523-week-1-binkie-report.html
Belichick has done more in his career than any Jets coach has ever done so really what's your point? How good would Tony Dungy have been without Peyton Manning? Jimmy Johnson if he lost Troy Aikman? Chuck Noll if he lost Terry Bradshaw? Coaches need the right players to be successful. Can't win championships with bad players. You should know that being a Jets fan over the years. I know that as well sitting through the post 1986-2001 years with the Patriots. Your post about keeping Cassel over Brady is so ridiculous that I won't even give a response. As to having Brady running out of time in his career, well wouldn't you think drafting Ryan Mallett would be looking towards the future?
I like patsfans.com, particularly the older crowd. Guys like Ken and a couple dozen others. But there's a whole group of younger kids and newer posters in the general forum with whom you can't really have an intelligent discussion. They treat anything even remotely critical of the Patriots like some sort of sacrilege. Pardon if I don't think Dan Connolly is a top ten guard. I think many of the good posters have migrated to the VIP Forum, which is a shame. They had some pretty sharp female posters there also. The juvenile crowd in the main forum is seldom worth time in discussion. Idiots and kids. Burning off stupidity and angst. What I DO love about the newer patsfans.com is how every article lavishing praise on the Patriots comes with a thread entitled, "Great Analysis by Peter King" or whoever.
