Yeah, it sucks to lose Cotch. I'm glad they have Mason coming in if we are getting rid of Cotch but I hate to see him go.
Yes, the value of depth is important. And next year, when we return Holmes and Kerley alongside a newly drafted #2, we'll want to have some other receivers who spent time with the first team. We have several young receivers who need to use this season to learn and develop so we have that depth next year. I'm not talking about the active roster, either. If you keep Cotchery, you push McKnight or Turner to the PS, and someone gets bumped off. Again, with one top receiver likely to return next year, it's important to give everyone a chance to prove something. Plus, Cotch would be our #4 receiver. Last year, our #4 had a whopping 2 receptions. Where does Cotch fit in? He brings little to nothing that Mason doesn't bring. Is keeping him for that worth losing Leonhard and Pouha next season?
I love Cotchery as much as the next guy, but I'm also realistic and know paying him 4.5 million dollars is just not feasible, especially with the big contracts the team has to give out to Holmes, Cro, Harris, not to mention Sanchez, Brick, Mangold, Revis, etc. It's much better to get him off the books this year than worry about it next year and juggle around more restructured contracts. Mason will give us the same, or better, production in that spot, especially since Cotchery's back is still messed up and there's no guarantee he will be ready to start the season no matter what he says himself.
I'm pretty sure the cap hits are: He plays 2011 and 2012: 3.7 this year, 3.9 million in 2012 He plays 2011, gets cut in 2012: 3.7 this year, 1.7 million in 2012 Get cuts now: 2 million this year, 1.7 in 2012. Basically acceleration of future year bonuses hit the cap in 2012 and not 2011. You're saving 1.7 or 1.8 in 2011 and nothing in 2012 if you cut him now instead of next year, and you're saving 1.7 or 1.8 this year and about 2.2 next year cutting him now verse playing him for two years.
Ugh. I just checked, and I missed the cap provision in the transition rules. So, they instituted rules to help people get under this year's cap and fucked teams over that need the space next year. Well, that changes everything. Why the hell are they bringing Mason in? It's not as though we need that space for this season at this point?
if that's the case, then bringing Mason in probably has more to do with them not trusting Cotchery's back issues and thinking they can get better production from Mason.
They're stuck with a 1.7 million hit in 2012 for Cotch no matter what they do, so I guess the question is would you like to save 500-800k and bring in a guy like Mason (and use the cap space for mid-season signings, to cover players on IR, and for extension at the end of the year if you have any left over)? If they think there's not a big difference between Cotch and Mason, why not save the cash?
Looking more and more like Cotch's back is the issue. Someone doesn't trust that he can make it through the year.
I guess so, but it seems like a lot of effort unless you can find a trading partner for Cotch. Mason doesn't know the playbook, and you don't know whether he'd fit with Sanchez (although the numbers from Football Outsiders indicate he and Cotch aren't a great fit). It just seems like an unnecessary risk unless we really want a draft pick or Cotch is quite banged up. I do like the idea of granting an extension at the end of the league year to Leonhard or Pouha. Figure out what next year's cap may look like and squeeze part of a signing bonus under this year's.
It works reasonably with Mason because the guy is supposedly (1) a very, very smart veteran and (2) Cam Cameron (like Schotty) runs a modified Coryell offense so the playbooks and terminology are likely to be very similar; the transition shouldn't be all tha tbad.
Guys who say that Mason is better than cotch i think you are all wrong. First of all mason is 37 years old! Sure he had a great year last year, but when is the time where all of sudden they barely have it. Like L.Coles. Cotchery is younger and we should be loyal here if we're hit against the cap regardless.
I assumed the systems were the same given Ravens games I've seen and, obviously, that the two OCs came from the same coaching tree in SD. That's a good point about the transition. Again, I just don't see how 500-800k is worth saving in the context of standard NFL operating costs unless you're really trying to get a pick back in a trade. I don't know if we'll see Cotchery cut if a trading partner can't be found, but I really want to see two young receivers on the 53 man and 2 on the PS in preparation for next year.
Insert Cotch's 60 yard play against the patriots last year in the playoffs when the pats just made it close
A clue might be to see what Indy does with a plethora of guys. Tom Moore is here for a reason.These moves need to be examined with that in mind. The idea, I'd bet $$$ is to get those matchups against lower order Corners. I think this year Moore helps the Schotty bashing go away.
You may be right. I think it also may have to do with down field blocking. Neither Holmes, Plax nor Cotch are particularly good at down field blocking and that is a very important part of the receivers duty that often is overlooked. Mason is a very good blocker down field. I forgot how an injury settlement impact their cap, maybe that's an out for them. I haven't checked other contracts on the team to see impact in future years but it could also be possible that they are taking the cap hit this year for one of the front loaded guys that may not be around after this year. If so I think part of the bone the player would repay (if not guaranteed) gets added to next years cap. Doubt this will happen but I'm trying to think of possibilities. You know Tanny has a handle on things or they wouldn't be looking to go in this direction.
However, this offense is also getting a significant upgrade, with the addition of Moore to the offensive staff. You're going to need veterans to adjust more quickly. Hoping the short/quick pass finally finds it's way into the offense.
def agree here... if it is true that losing Cotch wont give us too much more money to work with, they should def hold on to the guy. Although we can always do what we did with Coles last year. They can bring on Mason, and if its true that Cotch is ready to play, tell Mason to go see where he's gotta go. Supposedly he was already contemplating retirement anyway. I do like Mason, but prefer Cotch 100%. Few players exert more effort than him, and he proved his worth in the Browns game.
The Colts didn't effectively use 4 receivers last season. Blair White had a decent season (36 receptions) because Collie was out for half the season. In 2009, their #4 receiver had 9 receptions. Why? Because, like the Jets, they attempt to utilize a TE and pass catching backs. Suggesting that our 4th receiver is going to make an impact basically suggests that McKnight/Tomlinson and Keller won't.
TheJetsStream Manish Mehta #Jets Jerricho Cotchery is a realist re: Derrick Mason: Tells me: "If he passes the physical, he's on the team and I won't be." #nyj #Jets Jerricho Cotchery tells me: "It's time to move on." #nyj
