Darrelle Revis being ranked behind Andre Johnson in the top 100 is a crime.

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  1. MBGreen

    MBGreen Banned

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    I dunno about that....Peyton plays quarterback quite well.
     
  2. Aero

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    I dunno about that....Folk plays kicker quite well.
     
  3. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Voted on by the players. Who gives a fuck about this countdown?

    Stop caring so much.
     
  4. Aero

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    In all seriousness, the rankings on this list mean very little at this point. It was obvious from the first week that no one knew what criteria everyone was being judged by. When the NFL Network's List of the Top 100 is openly mocked weekly by columnists on NFL.com, you know it's nothing to get worked up over. Revis was recognized as the best CB in the NFL and a top 10 player overall... that should be more than enough if his work on the field isn't already enough for you at this point.
     
  5. HardHitta

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    It's funny considering when ever we play the Texans Revis always shuts Johnson down and makes him look like a bum. Fuck a list.
     
  6. dcm1602

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    This is 100% accurate.

    There is no other position in the nfl where the skill difference between the #1 best player and #2 player is as much leaps and bounds away.

    Even @ QB sure Brady is the golden boy, but lets be honest is he really THAT much better than Rivers/Peyton/Brees ?

    The answer is no hes not, and the stats support that 100% (lets be honest QB is one of the few positions that you CAN use stats to quantify)

    Bradys last 3 seasons 3.9k yards, 4.4k yards, 4.8k yards 110 96 117 qb rating.

    Rivers 4700, 4200, 4000, 102, 104.5 105.5

    Im not seeing a start difference here.

    You wanna compare Revis to the next couple of corners and its like comparing the Yankees to the Mets.


    That said this list isnt judging that, its kind of includes which positions are most important to a degree which is why you see so many qbs.

    I have no problems with Peyton, Brady, Lewis, Polamalu simply because these guys have all been ultra high performers for many years.

    AP I kinda disagree with simply because the guy has been the antithesis of clutch (didn't make a superbowl because he had like what 5 fumbles in the most important game of his career ?)

    Andre Johnson and Ed Reed definitely dont belong above Revis though.

    Then theres just plenty of stupid shit like Dwight Freeney above Haloti Ngata and Asomugha.

    Cant really take this list too seriously.

    Note as for the fans Rank they had Brady @ #3 and Peyton + Rodgers as #1 and #2 respectively.

    Although the fans also ranked Revis #14 which shows how fucking retarded they really are
     
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  7. Jets n Boys

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    That list a joke. Revis is better than Troy, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis and we all know who owns Andre Johnson.

    Would you trade away Revis for ANY of those four players? No way.
     
  8. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Well, if Reed, Troy, or Lewis were as young as Revis was, it would at least be debatable. Obviously at the ages they're at, you take Revis hands down.
     
  9. Leicester Jet

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    The NFL should forget about producing lists to keep fans interested and should get down to making sure we have a season!!!
     
  10. tubby

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    he cover too much
     
  11. Mantana Soss

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    Andre Johnson should be ranked higher, because he plays a more important position.

    Revis cannot play defense by himself, there are plenty of other targets. The Jets could give up 60 points in a game where Revis allows 0 catches. I understand shutting down a team's #1WR makes everyone else on D better, but nonetheless, I think the value of one shutdown corner is a little overrated.

    Andre Johnson COULD play offense more or less by himself. When more mortal CBs are covering him, pretty much any competent NFL QB can get the ball to Johnson's neighborhood, and he will bring it in... and then do something with it.

    Point to ponder: Shane Lechler is more dominant at his position compared to his peers than Revis is. Should he be top-10 too?
     
  12. dcm1602

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    If they were all the same age Lewis is the only one who I think you can even remotely consider taking over Revis.

    But thats because in addition to his talent the guy was an identity of a franchise for his entire career. Revis is probably more skilled, but the question becomes can Revis still be the heart of a team when his strength and speed begin to fade with age like Ray has.
     
  13. Zach

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    Now I'm supposed to give THIS a flying fuck too? What's with off season?

    Man, off season SUCKS!
     
  14. Jets n Boys

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    So what you are saying is, if Andre is faced against a less talented corner than Revis, then he can become a factor in the game, but Andre is still better than Revis overall...thats exactly what you are saying. And I disagree.

    Just like how Andre "COULD play the offense more or less by himself", Revis can shut down that same offense single handedly.

    And when you say Jets could give up 60 points while Revis allowing 0 completions means you are trying to prove your point by giving Revis a shitty D. Try proving that same point while having Brooks Bollinger to throw to Andre while Revis covers him playing for this Jets team. All Im doing is changing the QB and the matchup looks awful for the Texans as an entire team. The argument works both ways.

    Revis will take out your best offensive weapon. He gets the nod because he can shut down the more important position in the NFL. QB is clearly the most important position in the NFL and that is why I would have agreed with the list even if they had Brees listed ahead of Revis.
     
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  15. JfaulkNYJ

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    Revis is better at his position than A. Johnson, but factor in Revis missing games due to injury, and non Revis play for 3-5 games.

    Who cares really. He made the top 10...which is cool I guess.
     
  16. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Well, ranking players is silly for the reason soss showed: you have to put value on positions. You could argue Revis is better at his position than anyone.

    It isn't an insult to Revis is behind Ed Reed or Andre Johnson. Those guys score touchdowns and make huge plays for the team consistently. I love Revis, but he doesn't make as many big plays as a lot of guys high on the list. Definitely, part of that is his own success making teams not want to throw at him, but still, its like the Woodson vs Revis DPOY debate.

    Woodson made a ton of big plays. Revis prevented a ton of big plays. When Revis starts creating more turnovers, he will go even higher on the list.

    I think Revis should be higher than Ray at this point for sure. Andre, Reed, Troy, and AP are all on that elite level. I would have put Revis between 3 and 7. Lewis gets that ranking on respect by opponents.
     
  17. dcm1602

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    I think were all missing the point here.

    Eli Manning didnt make the list.

    Isnt that all that really matters ?
     
  18. Mambo9

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    Yeah I agree with you...
     
  19. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    It's tough to say that though. In baseball, a dominant pitcher will be better than a dominant hitter, that's just how the sport works. In football, a great cornerback can get to the level where he's not even thrown at anymore.

    Also, if Revis played a full season this past year at the level he was at in 2009, he might be a little higher. But last season, he was hurt, and then he wasn't completely himself when he first got back.
     
  20. Jets n Boys

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    People tend to make his injury an excuse used agaist him when determining the best CB or the top 100 nfl players.

    I think it adds value to him. He was injured three games, but played most of the other games while still recovering from that injury. Yet, he put up the best burn rate amongst all NFL players. How one can use that argument against Revis is beyond me, Jets fan or not. If you are talking about durability, then a hamstring injury is nothing to be concerned about, especially when the player didn't go through any part of the offseason, AND preseason.

    Here's my argument: Is there any one player that can dominate a QB? No. If there was one player that would dominate Brady/Manning, and make them look like high school QBs on a consistent basis, then that player has to be better than the Bradys and the Mannings of the NFL. If they can dominate these two players, they can pretty much dominate the other QBs.

    If WR is a much more important position than CB, then is there any one player that can take out such an important position? Yes. Revis can, has, and will.

    If a player shuts down the #1 WR in the game consistently, then there is no way he is ranked below him. Its not apples to apples comparison. But we can see the head to head matchup.
     

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