People are utterly ridiculous. Schotty's offense has been in the AFC Championship game two straight years. People are saying they hope we win it all so he can take a walk? Really? Does anyone remember our offenses of recent years before Schottenheimer? Hackett? Heimerdinger? You might want to be careful what you wish for. The grass is always greener on the other side. I could sit here and type cliches until my fingers fall off on this one. Yes, Brian Schottenheimer puts far too many motion packages on the field. Yes, he gets too cute and appears to be trying to outsmart the world on every play. At the same time, his coaching pedigree includes helping Mark Sanchez and Drew Brees (who he still talks to every single week during the season) become stars. That's not even mentioning that Rex has had every opportunity to let him go and has quite publicly asked him to continue to stay. But a squadron of fans on a message board know so much more than coaches and experts who watch every team every week. Trust me, I flip out at Schotty's playcalling at times, but he's an offensive genius. Whether you like him or not.
Cimini certainly isn't the most credible. That said, it wouldn't matter who was playcalling for the Jets, the armchair folks would hate him.
I think most people may agree with this. But This guy goes from guru to turd within 1 week. Some games he absolutely nails then the next we are all like wtf!? The issue with him is that he will gameplan and stick with it no matter what... that doesn't work when the other team figures it out.
That's the thing, why does he get all the blame b/c the offense sputters one week? That GB game we had 9-10 dropped passes including one that would have been a TD- was that his fault?
Schotty is an offensive genius? Oh come on that's the funniest thing I heard all day. I agree with when he is on his game, it's a great game plan and it's a beautiful offense to watch but far too often we never know what we are going to get out of the offense. I'm sorry but offensive geniuses don't go 14 consecutive games without scoring a touchdown in the first quarter. Not with the amount of weapons we had on the offense at least. When he deserves praise, I praise him. I'm not looking at this with a close-mind I want the guy to succeed and I want our offense to succeed because of him but it just doesn't happen as much as it should. Is it a coincidence that both Brees and Rivers got better and had better statistical years once Schotty had left? Maybe, maybe not. I understand that he is not the absolute worst OC in the league and we could be worse off with someone else but my personal opinion the guy isn't as great as he is made out to be. He frustrates the hell outta me. We can agree to disagree but I for one can't wait until he gets a head coaching job. Maybe I'll regret it when we get his replacement but for now this is how I feel.
The one thing I like to point out here was inconsistency at QB during that time. He never worked with the same guy as the starter for more than one season before Sanchez. This is really the first time he has gotten to actually build something from year to year. There is no doubt the offense was frustrating to watch at times last year. The thing is the overall numbers aren't bad compared to what i was expecting before the season. This year expectations will be higher but in the first two years I have liked the improvements overall.
The most damning factor in my mind regarding Schotty is that his unit as a whole often underachieves. In my mind at least, Rex was able to elevate the level of play of the defense both years in comparison to the level of talent available to him. Conversely, the excuse train has been running since Schotty has been OC as to why the offense has been "OK" rather than great... especially when you consider the caliber of talent the Jets have been able to acquire on the offensive side of the ball over the years. I do believe that the offense is an improving product thanks in large part to the development of Sanchez, however I just don't see the offense under Schottenheimer's guidance as being a unit that will ever exceed your expectations. They'll struggle, they'll make it look ugly, they'll pull it out sometimes, and other times they'll leave you sitting there scratching your head.
I agree with this post. I mentioned it earlier in the thread, and I think it bares repeating. Schotty needs to learn how to make in-game adjustments. If something isn't working, having a viable Plan B to rely upon would be beneficial.....should the need arise. Too many times he stuck to his game plan when clearly it wasn't working.
This is what I am referencing when I say that fan ignorance is one of the factors in the unfavorable reputation that Schottenheimer has been awarded from among the ranks of fans. How can you speak in such absolutes without providing specific examples to support your claim? And the situations in which they occurred? Are we to simply take your word as law? Surely you can at least provide a token statistic to at least feign the appearance of credibility?
Both pretty good posts for what its worth. I've finally come to the conclusion that the level of frustration and hate I have for the guy isn't what it should be, and that he's gotten better over time. But he's certainly earned the right to be questioned and held accountable for this crap when it surfaces in game plans and in games. Sometimes I think he just really over thinks situations with all the distractions he packs into the plays. Sometimes, basic execution and play calling is all that is required. Like in Remember the Titans, "I run 6 plays. Just like Novocaine, give it time, it always works". Well, we probably don't want to run that simple an offense.
When we win I give Mark all the credit, plus the defense and Rex obviously. When we lose, it's ALL SCHOTTY'S fault. That I know I am guilty of.
No, don't take my word as law. Watch the games, watch the offense sputter up and down the field, watch as we take the ball into the red-zone countless times only to have Nick Folk come on the field and put up 3 points, watch every single first quarter from Week 6 until the very last week of the season @ Pittsburgh where we failed to put up ONE touchdown in the first quarter. That's 14 games in a row. That's almost a full season where we couldn't score one god damn touchdown in the opening 15 minutes. That is completely unacceptable for a NFL offensive coordinator, shit for a high school offensive coordinator. Especially considering the amount of weapons we have on this team. Sure you can blame the struggles of Sanchez in only his second season, and you can blame key drops here and there. But your job is to come up with a game plan for YOUR offense to come and exploit the defense, attack their weaknesses and score points and time after time we fail to do that especially to teams we should have no problem putting points on the board against. Just like Edge said earlier, we'll struggle and make it look ugly. As a fan we all know how frustrating it is. Sometimes we'll come out with the win, see the Houston game where Mark went into hurry-up and the offense seemed to move the ball with ease. Sometimes we won't be so lucky, see the second Miami game or the Chicago game. You can call me ignorant as a fan, you can say whatever you want. I watched every single game this year. From the 10-9 home opener all the way to the loss at Pittsburgh. Sometimes we will SEE the offensive genius from Schotty, the New England game was one of his most beautifully called games. Games like that from Schottenhiemer is few and far between with our talent on his side of the ball.
I wince when people call Rex Ryan or Bill Belichick defensive "geniuses," and they've got the accolades to merit the hyperbole. Calling Brian Schottenheimer a "genius" is just wrong. At best, I would call him a clever play designer. But designing clever plays is a small part of being an effective offensive coordinator. I think Schottenheimer was a perfect OC for Eric Mangini, because neither of them value offensive or defensive identity. Mangini's philosophy (and it's a sound philosophy, all things being equal) is that a defensive or offensive gameplan should be entirely unique to any given game. The gameplans should change week to week and the team's identity should adapt to that of their opponent's. It's very Bruce Lee: "the best fighting style is no style whatsoever." That's why I think Rex has helped Schottenheimer, despite his "durr, I don't know nuthin' about no offense" facade. Rex has repeatedly drilled it into Schotty: "We're ground and pound. We run the ball. That's our identity." The players need that, because not every player is Bruce Lee. Some of them just need to master punching somebody in the mouth in order to win their fights. I hope Schotty gets simpler as he gets older. He is, in fact, a very clever play designer, and it must be tough to design clever plays and then sit on them for series or games or seasons on end. But that's what good offensive coordinators do.
Go to Miami. NOW. That would make my year. (Henne to double reverse to fumble to TD. What a spectacular offensive play!)
True So has the quarterback position. just sayin'. I think year 3 is going to make or break Mark AND Schotty. This will be Brian's 3rd year of stability at the QB position and Mark's 3rd year as a pro-QB. I thought the Bear's game was a great showing of what the O can do given the right circumstances. Its too bad the D looked like a siv that day. However, we are all aware of the poor Schotty days/plays with the double reverses etc that fail miserably. +1 for Alio's statement on being careful what you wish for.
I think Alio took it a step too far w/ the genius label but he's closer to genius than the bum most think he is on here.
