Rangers @ Yankees 6/14-16

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  1. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

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    Couple of things...

    What A-Rod admits and what is actually true are two different things (even if A-Rod perceived it to be true, which I doubt... sounds like a line of BS to me). Was A-Rod just not worried about the steroid pressure in the 2004 ALDS? Or what about the first three games of that ALCS? This is a slightly separate argument, though.

    I'm not saying the players aren't affected at all. I just question the importance placed on the emotions insofar as they translate to on the field performance. More bluntly, I don't think Montero's lack of power this year is because that mean old Bwian Cashman huwt his widdle feewings. In the two cases you've most complained about so far (Noesi and Montero), you're talking about two young players who haven't proven shit at the big league level. (Sorry, Noesi's six innings don't count as "proof.") These are rookies. If they handle disappointment or adversity so badly that their long-term performance suffers significantly, then they are not likely to succeed at the big-league level, period. I understand being bummed... suck it up, prove yourself and make yourself indispensable. If you curl up into a ball, sulk, or just stop caring, why would I want you on the team? Should we just promote everyone on the minor league team to maximize self-esteem?
     
  2. Dierking

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    Nunez looks like a seasoned veteran grounding into rally killing DPs.
     
  3. Cappy

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    He learned from the best.
     
  4. Cappy

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    Wonder who taught Nunez THAT trick?
     
  5. Cappy

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    Even Pena wants to show the fans what Jeter no longer can.
     
  6. ace_o_spades

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    What a play by Tex wow
     
  7. Cappy

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    Nunez: 2/3, 1 R, 1 RBI, 2 SB.

    How refreshing.
     
  8. AMJets

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    Derek Pipp.
     
  9. Cappy

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    [homer simpson] Heh. I get historical references. [/homer simpson]
     
  10. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I'm not trying to say that anyone should be that affected by getting shot down. I'm just saying that when guys perform and get nothing for it, watching someone get signed from another team to take the spot they have a right to be given a shot at, it's ridiculous to think it shouldn't/doesn't have an effect.

    As far as ARod, I don't think it was steroids in particular. I think it was just that he no longer had to fake a clean-cut image to the public. Let's be honest, Alex is an egomaniac. He's at his best when he's aloof and uncaring about what his image is. The steroid scandal destroyed any chance to maintain a "good guy" image, and left him open to do as he pleases.

    As for Noesi, 6 solid innings against Boston is more than Gordon has shown. The guy is in his 30s and is just coming out of the minors. It's starting to appear that Girardi's plans for Noesi don't coincide with Cashman's too. Girardi is looking at working him in short or long appearances, whereas Cashman was pretty clear the other day that they consider Noesi a starter.

    As far as Montero, I'm not sure what his issue is. I can only think it's mental. It's not like he's not hitting, he's just not driving them out of the park. He's had a couple of injuries/illnesses, but nothing that should lead to a lack of power. So unless he's covering something up, his brain is throwing off his swing.

    I'm quoting myself here just because I had to point out how wrong I was. Again. If I thought I actually influenced their performance I'd rip everyone every night.

    Speaking of that lineup, what happened to Jones last night? I missed why he came out.
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    On another note, congrats to Teixeira on tying the record for games hitting home runs from both sides of the plate. Wow. And he still has years to go!

    Speaking of homers and me being wrong, how about Granderson? What an amazing year.
     
  11. Cappy

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    Okay, so why can't it be a positive effect? Why can't it be, "I'm going to show those clowns that they were so wrong"?

    And like I said, for Noesi it's more a matter of being completely stretched out. He's only good for 80 pitches.

    Eh, maybe. I haven't seen any footage, so I can't say for sure, but there are plenty of non-psychological reasons... he might be getting nothing but breaking balls. He might not be laying off inside pitches (but is still good enough to get a few hits out of it, if not HRs). He might specifically be working on another aspect of his swing/game. Or it could just be that he doesn't have his head in the game. *shrugs* Too many possibilities to say.


    I'm quoting myself here just because I had to point out how wrong I was. Again. If I thought I actually influenced their performance I'd rip everyone every night.

    Speaking of that lineup, what happened to Jones last night? I missed why he came out.
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    On another note, congrats to Teixeira on tying the record for games hitting home runs from both sides of the plate. Wow. And he still has years to go!

    Speaking of homers and me being wrong, how about Granderson? What an amazing year.[/QUOTE]
     
  12. IATA

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    Jesus Christ girardi is annoying. I don't like that. I don't appreciate this. Shut the Fuck up already

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  13. Yisman

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    Waldman is very excited about Gordon. She keeps speaking in excited tones and sounds like she's smiling every time she talks about him.
     
  14. JfaulkNYJ

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    yeah lets not play arod, with a kid we have no idea who da heck he is. not like we are gonna need any runs for the kid eh?
     
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    swisher overslides third and gets tagged out.
     
  16. AlioTheFool

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    That's definitely fair and I'm sure it happens more often than not. I'm just saying, when guys earn their shot and you don't give it to them, there's the risk that it will happen.

    A perfect example of just how much mentality can affect a player is Kenny Rogers. While not the same situation, the guy clearly was mentally unable to pitch in New York.

    For Noesi, sure, I can understand not being stretched out enough, but then why not send him back to AAA? If he's a planned starter, as Cashman has claimed, why is he here in the pen? It's not like we haven't seen this story before.

    I can actually confirm he's getting a lot more offspeed stuff, which he has problems hitting.

    Just to be perfectly clear, I'm not saying his mental state is the problem. Just that playing games with guys can cause a problem. It just happens that he went from future Yankees starter to back to the minors while an import looked to be brought in to bridge the gap to Romine/Sanchez.

    What was this in reference to?

    Did you expect anything less?

    Oooooooooooohhhhhhh Rahhhhjaaaah.

    Girardi's lineups infuriate me practically daily. I get wanting to rest guys and by all means do so. When you're resting multiple starters on the same day, or key hitters in games that rookies are pitching though, that's a problem to me.

    I get Gardner being out of the lineup today for Jones, but ARod is out and Posada with his anemic right-handed batting average is in at DH. It doesn't make sense, especially with both Nunez and Pena in the lineup. I guess I should be ecstatic that at least Martin is in.
     
  17. AMJets

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    No DH for the next week. Posada's not going to get ABs, and A-Rod's not going to get any half days off (and he's been limping since he got hit a few days ago). I have no problem with either decision today.
     
  18. Yisman

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    yeah I think the NL thing is why A-Rod is on the bench today. He's 1/13 career vs. Wilson, but that wouldn't normally place him on the bench.

    With Girardi probably planning to play A-Rod every day at third in the NL parks, it made sense to give him a day off. Plus Nunez and Pena hit well yesterday.
     
  19. AlioTheFool

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    Yeah, that's fair enough. I honestly hadn't thought about the interleague angle. Still though, this is Girardi every week, and a few times each week at that. He sits multiple starters on the same day, which is crazy to me. I get that this team is aging, but these guys get paid to play a game for a few hours a day. I don't think they need to sit out every week.

    They still win a lot of games, so it's a lot more just complaining, but it's one more thing on the long list of "Reasons I Don't Like Joe Girardi Managing the Yankees."
     
  20. JfaulkNYJ

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    we could of gotten another run with arod in the lineup. why not sit him a day in the cubs series? that team is so atrocious i think we could of handled ourselves a day without em
     

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