I was thinking the same thing..... A Guy who failed in the NFL and became a writer / opinion guy instead????? Maybe he's respected as a writer but, if he were some well respected NFL Guru he'd be working IN THE NFL!!!!!
There are guys who had good careers in the NFL that are in the media now, I don't think Kirwin is one of those guys.
I think it's tough to judge the QB position just by statistics. There are guys like Rothslisberger who don't have great stats but are great winners. To me Sanchez is showing that he is becoming that type of QB and i am fine with that!
Absolutely, people will look at Ben's #s in the title game and think he sucked but he made a few huge plays to win the game. Those last 2 1st down throws were all Ben and they sealed the game. Too many people judge based on fantasy #s, stats are definitely part of it but give me a mediocre stat QB that makes plays when it counts over a great stat QB who melts in the biggest spots. This is why for years I have been saying Brady was better than Manning, Brady has kind of fallen into Manning territory being a great #s guy but struggling in the biggest games but he has enough on his resume to put him over the top and while Brady has struggled Peyton has not been able to take advantage.
GOod lord, can't we just put all this Anti-Sanchez crap in one thread? Do we really need a new one every time someone else chimes in. I think he's great - New Thread My Pops thinks he's great - New Thread My Uncle thinks he's great- New Thread I have to get busy.
Orton & Fitzpatrick weren't rated above Sanchez. They were rated in the same tier as Sanchez. The article states that within each group, the QBs are listed alphabetically. Sanchez wasn't 20th, but he's in the 16th-20th grouping. 16th is probably pretty dead on in terms of his ranking. From the guys you mention, I think Schaub is clearly ahead of Sanchez. I think Palmer has slipped to the point where he would be behind Mark, but Palmer did have a nice resume years ago. Freeman has looked good. I'd put he and Sanchez on the same plane. It's not a knock on Sanchez to say he's a middle of the pack starting QB right now. The fact that he's young & improving is what makes him more valuable to us. At this point in time however, it's hard to say that for the present, he's better than many of the guys listed ahead of him.
Another reason I hate the NFLN cast and writers for their site. Most of their articles about us are complete GARBAGE.
Arm strength and accuracy (he's a career 64.8% passer, Sanchez is a career 54.4% passer). Schaub has also shown he can run a pass-first offense; Sanchez has done this in particular games but he hasn't proven that he can do it for an entire season.
and Schaub has shown that he cannot lead a team to postseason despite every year hearing about how the Texans should make the postseason.
Ever watch the Texans play defense? That's a big part of your answer. Do you honestly think number playoff appearances is the best way to judge a QB? If Manning doesn't sit and the Jets lose that game in 2009 is Sanchez a worse quarterback?
Houston's D was bad last year, it was more than good enough 2 years ago. They msised the playoffs by one game, they also got shredded at home by mark sanchez and the Jets in mark's first career game. yes Sanchez's rookie season isn't considered as good b/c in the playoffs is where he grew up and played his best football. Mark was more along for the ride in the reg season as a rookie, we didn't make it b/c of him unlike last year where he was a major reason why we made it. Schaub hasn't been good enough to elevate his team into postseason yet every year we hear how they are on the verge of postseason.
Schaub has been in the league 7 years, 4 as a starter throwing to Andre Johnson, and has yet to start a playoff game. I'd be surprised to learn of any great QBs who started their career starting zero playoff games in seven seasons. We hear a lot about completion percentage, and sure it would clearly be an area Sanchez can improve, but does it really influence winning and losing? It doesn't matter how many passes you miss if you win the game. It's an absolute myth that any QB would take the Jets to the playoffs each of the past 2 years. Sanchez led this team in 2010 and was able to do that because of the experience he gained in 2009. He's learned on the job and has still been able to produce results. I don't think we won any games in 2010 when Sanchez didn't play well in the critical moments, with the possible exception of Cincinnati. I wouldn't argue too much with Sanchez being placed 16th in the league, but I do object to him being placed a tier below or two tiers below certain players because the writer of the article prefers certain prototypcial skills. A guy like Matt Ryan is lauded and deified despite an 0-2 postseason record, Josh Freeman is called the best QB of the 2009 class despite never beating a top team in a competitive game, Matt Schaub, ffs, Matt fricking Schaub who has had the best receiver in the league for the last 4 years and has managed one winning season and who has lost to Sanchez each of the last two years, is a tier above!? Bradford, Flacco, Palmer? Really? These are all proven to be clearly better than Sanchez? Because I'm not interested in swapping for any of them. Cassel, Fitzpatrick and Orton as the closest comparators? Again, really? Fitzpatrick is a career backup and the other two have no postseason success to speak of. The only way this article can salvage any credibility is to have it labelled "Regular season only", which is a stupid basis for anything.
How many has he even been in? I mean, c'mon. The guy sat for much of his rookie season for a terrible team. The next year he played the whole season and the team improved greatly and put up the same record as the eventual Super Bowl champions.
I've already said I think Freeman will be good, I just don't agree that it is in any way legitimate to say he is a tier above Sanchez. For the record, Freeman lost twice to Atlanta, lost to Pittsburgh, lost to Baltimore and got destroyed in the first game against New Orleans. He also lost at home to Detroit in a game that would ultimately have seen Tampa Bay make the playoffs. Now, Sanchez lost at home to Atlanta in similar circumstances as a rookie, but he had no such hiccups in 2010, and it is right now that we are comparing. I can see that it is fair to put them in the same bracket, but I cannot see how Freeman could be considered clearly superior.
Schaub has done alright, but has the stats and fantasy #'s because of reasons you mentioned. (see A. Johnson) vs. Sanchez I'm not sure how to judge. Rather have Sanchez even if Schaub has performed better. Matty Ice deserves his props in my opinion. He is still young and I think he is a great leader for Atlanta. I like watching him play. Rather have Ryan. I agree with Cakes and think Freeman played better and currently has performed the best out of the '09 QB class. Sanchez and Freeman both look like they are going to step up as team leaders during their third year. You can have a different opinions but even as a Jets fan, I'd rather have Freeman. Going to be fun to see how both career's pan out.
I think there's a tendency for people to not only want to be happy with their guy, but have the other teams be disappointed in their own. I think it makes sense to be ecstatic about Sanchez and still understand why Freeman is getting his press and why Tampa Bay fans would prefer him.
The biggest game of his pro career against detroit, who hadn't won a road game in 3 years, he couldn't lead them to the win. Freeman has earned positive press but to act like he's well above Sanchez b/c of some fantasy #s in meaningless games isn't fair.
Freeman didn't lead his team to a victory against the Lions because Tampa Bay opted to run out the clock... ... with Cadillac Williams... ... who was averaging 2.5 yards per carry before he lost his job to an undrafted rookie free agent. And had Freeman led Tampa Bay to a late, fourth quarter victory (which he would have, had the Tampa defense stopped quarterbacking prodigy Drew Stanton), it would've given him the NFL record for 4th quarter comebacks in a passer's first two seasons.
