http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ning-qbs-top-list-of-games-best-signalcallers Saw the Vic Caruici post. Well, next to it, is the Pat Kirwan QB rankings which just blows me away. To rank Mark # 20 is just incredible and uses his TD's to games ratio and his reason. it shows me that guys like Pat, who I respect, really don't watch every snap, they just watch the Monday night games and highlights. I mean, come on, how could you rate him on that and put Matt Schaub and Palmer ahead of him. And Eli is rated six because he had 31 TD's. HE HAD 25 INTERCEPTIONS AND 7 FUMBLES, 25 INTERCEPTIONS and he's # 6 because he has 31 TD's. He single handley took the Giants out of the playoffs. And I only pick on Manning because I watch him. There are other guys also that can't carry Mark's lunch. I guess we should just accept the fact he's never gonna get the respect he deserves. There has been a lot of discussion about the quarterbacks who made the Top 100 Players of 2011 and those who were left off. The Top 100: Players of 2011 "The Top 100: Players of 2011" countdown continues on NFL Network on Sunday, May 29 at 8 p.m. ET. Stay tuned for a reaction show after players Nos. 51-60 are revealed. » Cast your votes for the "Top 100" Lists are great for debate. With that in mind, I prefer to group players in segments of five with little debate about one player being better than the next in his particular group. Here are the quarterback groupings in alphabetical order. Group A (1-5) 1. Tom Brady, Patriots: Three Super Bowl rings and four appearances in the big game to go along with the most touchdown passes in 2010 (36). 2. Drew Brees, Saints: Tied for second in TD passes (33) and one of the great leaders in the NFL. 3. Peyton Manning, Colts: Tied for second in TD passes (33) and the guy who will probably break Brett Favre's passing records. 4. Philip Rivers, Chargers: Led the league in passing yards with 138 fewer throws than the next closest QB in passing yards. 5. Aaron Rodgers, Packers: The Super Bowl MVP and someone who made Packers fans forget Favre. Manning overlooked by peers Eli Manning has a Super Bowl MVP, a lifetime 64-46 record, has never missed a start. Those are just some of the reasons he should have made t the top 100, says Pat Kirwan. More ... » Does Romo deserve spot in top 100? » Can Vick repeat 2010 performance? Group B (6-10) 1. Eli Manning, Giants: Underrated with 4,000-plus passing yards and fourth in touchdown passes (31). 2. Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers: A two-time Super Bowl champion and three appearances on Super Sunday during his seven-year career. The essence of a winner. 3. Tony Romo, Cowboys: He has to stay healthy this year and improve on his 1-3 postseason record or he will fall from this group. 4. Matt Ryan, Falcons: A rising star with 66 touchdown passes and just 34 interceptions in his first three years. 5. Michael Vick, Eagles: Turned his life around, and not only recaptured his career but has improved as a quarterback. Group C (11-15) 1. Sam Bradford, Rams: He averaged 39 pass plays a game as a rookie, completed 60 percent of his passes and threw more touchdowns (18) than interceptions (15) without a top wide receiver. Freeman or Flacco? The debate between picking Josh Freeman or Joe Flacco comes down to weighing potential against results. Elliot Harrison examines the case for both young quarterbacks. More ... » Young QBs crack top 100 2. Joe Flacco, Ravens: All he's done is lead his team to the playoffs in his first three seasons. He has 60 touchdown passes and just 34 interceptions to go along with a 4-3 postseason mark. 3. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers: A rising star who reminds me of a young Warren Moon. Cool under pressure with a big arm. He led his team to 10 wins in his first full season as a starter. 4. Carson Palmer, Bengals: He might retire, but he still threw for 3,970 yards and 26 touchdowns in 2010. If the Bengals ever change their mind about trading him, we will all see what the rest of the league thinks of his ability. 5. Matt Schaub, Texans: Probably belongs in Group B but winning has to be part of the equation to move up. He threw for 4,370 yards and 24 touchdowns last season. Group D (16-20) 1. Matt Cassel, Chiefs: The trade for Cassel proved to be a great move by the Chiefs. Very efficient quarterback in 2010 with 27 touchdowns and just seven picks. He gets a new receiving weapon in Jonathan Baldwin this season and is probably headed to Group B or C next year. Unlock HQ Video HQ video delivered by Akamai 2. Jay Cutler, Bears: He takes too much criticism for his "body language." The accusations after his knee injury in the NFC title game are just an example of his bad image. Another year under offensive coordinator Mike Martz and he's headed up from Group D. 3. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bills: The Bills know what they have in Fitzpatrick and passed on adding a quarterback in the draft. Get him some more protection and targets, and he will improve on his stellar 2010 production. 4. Kyle Orton, Broncos: Played in 13 games and still threw for 3,653 yards. He might get traded when the lockout is over since a number of teams will want a QB with a 32-29 career record and 12,000-plus passing yards. 5. Mark Sanchez, Jets: Impressive start to career with a 23-14 record, including the playoffs, but needs to improve on his passing with only 29 touchdowns in 33 regular-season games. Group E (21-25) 1. David Garrard, Jaguars: While he will probably be replaced sooner or later, he will not go down without a fight. He has a winning record in the NFL and has thrown 35 more touchdowns than interceptions. 2. Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks: He had seven touchdowns to one interception in the playoffs and still has some tread left on the tires. He's a free agent and hopefully he stays in Seattle. His 11 postseason games, including a trip to the Super Bowl, is the kind of experience a team will need if the lockout goes deep into the summer. 3. Chad Henne, Dolphins: He is another quarterback in a long line trying to erase the memory of Dan Marino. This could be his last chance to keep a starting job and 27 touchdown passes in 27 starts isn't going to cut it. Unlock HQ Video HQ video delivered by Akamai 4. Donovan McNabb, Redskins: His best years are behind him and the 2010 stop in Washington was a bad experience. He can still play, but needs another change of scenery. 5. Matthew Stafford, Lions: He has to stay healthy to move up a few groups. He looks like he's stronger and healthy, which means he could ascend next season. Group F (26-30) 1. Jason Campbell, Raiders: He threw 13 touchdowns in 13 games last year and really needs a big season to step out of the obscurity he seems to be floating along in his five-year career. Let's see if a new coach, Hue Jackson, takes him to the next level. 2. Jon Kitna, Cowboys: Even though he might be a backup, did you notice how well he played last year when he had to start for Romo? Kitna's going back to the bench in Dallas, but he has a better chance of winning games in 2011 than a number of starters. 3. Kevin Kolb, Eagles: He'll be a hot item if we ever get to where trades can happen. The West Coast coaches believe he's the next Hasselbeck or Schaub. A backup with limited experience who can come in and be the face of the organization. 4. Colt McCoy, Browns: The West Coast system is perfect for McCoy. Between Pat Shurmur and Mike Holmgren, McCoy should be productive this year. 5. Vince Young, Titans: He is 30-17 as a starter and has to find a new place to play in 2011. If he cleans up his reputation as a worker, he still has a bright future. Harbaugh sees something in Smith Alex Smith has been a disappointment since entering the league as the No. 1 overall pick in 2005. Bucky Brooks examines what new 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh sees in Smith. More ... Group G (31-35) 1. Andy Dalton, Bengals: With Palmer probably retired or gone, Dalton will get a chance to play, and with A.J. Green at the end of his passes to go with a solid running game, he should have a promising rookie season. 2. Shaun Hill, Lions: Another backup who played better than some starters around the league a year ago. He led the Lions to two late wins. 3. Cam Newton, Panthers: If he doesn't get into camp soon and get some coaching, he will not have a chance to win as a rookie. He has the talent, but it will be a tough year with a weak supporting cast. 4. Tim Tebow, Broncos: He didn't play poorly when he got his chance last year. As one general manger said, "I should have known he would do a decent job on the field the way he competes." This is a deciding season for his future in Denver. 5. Alex Smith, 49ers: He was starting to come around when Norv Turner was his offensive coordinator back in 2006 and I'm hoping Jim Harbaugh can do the same thing for Smith now. His 19-31 record with more interceptions (53) than touchdowns (51) is a heavy burden to carry around.
haaaaa.....wow people really hate Sanchez. Orton, Fitzpatrick, Carson Palmer, Freeman are all better? And Romo is a top 10 QB? THat is funny
Sanchez isn't a top QB yet but he's a winner and he's pretty inexperienced still. His experience has been valuable tho. He'll get there.
There are QBs on that list who would have graced the very bottom of his list if this article were wrtten after said QBs first two seasons.
I don't have a huge problem with him at 20 since I wouldn't go above 15 at this point. Looking at these lists is funny though. You see guys like Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Cutler, Palmer, and Schaub all ahead on the list. The numbers say they should be ahead of him but we know one thing about Sanchez that nobody can really say for sure about those guys. When it comes to a playoff game in late January Mark will step up, 2 years in and it isn't even a question. Not many other qb's have proven that after only 2 years.
Why does everyone care so much? Statistically, he's among the worst QBs in the league, and he had a great OL and a great set of weapons. In terms of winning and stepping up when we need him to, he's been very good. Young QBs are hard to gauge. He's taken clear steps up year one and year two and we're winning with him. And he's showing a lot of leadership. I don't have problems with people who don't think Sanchez is that great. Just give him credit that he's been clutch when we've needed him. 20 is a tad low, but who cares? Can't wait til there's something real to talk about.
Kirwin is one of the most respected people in football and I don't disagree with his ranking, but he does things that most of the qb's ahead of him don't do. His leadership skills are top level and his play in crucial times has been amazing.
I don't think Sanchez will ever be a statistical golden boy, but as long as we win a Super Bowl, I don't care if he Dilfers us to the promised land.
Some of the guys ahead of him are just ludicrous. The only people who would take Freeman, Orton, Palmer, Schaub or Fitzpatrick ahead of Sanchez are people who play fantasy football. Give me the guy who wins playoff games please. To my count Sanchez has 4 playoff wins on his own and those four guys have zero.
I don't get some of the QBs ranked above Sanchez but if you're going by numbers then Sanchez is going to be pretty far down.
Who cares, most people go by statistics. Can anyone here argue Sanchez has good statistics. If he keeps winning and leading this team in the playoffs, statistics will follow. He has to stop with games like the Raves, 2nd Dolphin and Green Bay game...............The recognition will come if that happens. Seriously though how does an opinion like this tweak Jets fans. 2 years into a players career at QB is not indicative of anything. The third year is very important though.
To that day!! Thank you for posting this, Sam Polur. I know it wasn't your intention, but your vitriolic post has shown our entire community exactly how the true bigots use this corrupt system to silence any and all dissent. Did you catch that, folks? This hate-filled Jew wants to assign collective guilt to all Whites who dissent from the official U.S. government policy of enforced diversity and racial mixing. He states "you attacked the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum", meaning we all share in the blame for the actions of a lone, crazed gunman. He also wants to "charge" Don Black with "anti-semitism" and the "crime" of "promoting hate". Never mind that this Jew knows these things aren't a crime in the United States... yet! He has planted the seed that we are, by definition, law-breakers just for holding a non-kosher view. Or maybe he is just one of the really dumb ones. The Jews will stop at nothing in their attempt to silence the truth, but the truth is on our side. We are going to win. Toward that day!
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C'mon, it's a team sport. Freeman would have won playoff games with the Jets if he was drafted by them. Sanchez on the Buccs? No playoffs. Freeman plays for a much more talent-starved team.
Some of Mark's stats are not so good like completion % and TD to games, but that's the kind of offense he is on. What about 4th qtr. comebacks? What about overall record in first 2 years? What about playoff record. Tell me those stats with the other QB's. Tex just hit his 15th HR of the year but my buddy is gonna tell me he sucks with man on 3rd with less then 2 out, you can always find the good and bad. I know by watching the Jets how good Sanchez is when it counts and that he's just a puppy, but the one thing that stands out is the leadership, man its over the top. I love Pat, my favorite guy on Sirius, just suprised he picks that one stat that's all. Rank him below Romo like everyone else, go ahead. Romo might not win another playoff game, he might turn out to be the most over rated athelte in the history of sports. Other players turned out to becrappy after coming our of college, this guy has played in the NFL and has become over rated. Can someone explain the Romo love affair? Is it just the COwboy QB deal or banging Jessica? Is it jus the flashes or that he's on TV a lot. Bottom line, are his #'s good? They have gotten worse. Hey, its the off season and there might not be football for another 16 months http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for posting this, Sam Polur. I know it wasn't your intention, but your vitriolic post has shown our entire community exactly how the true bigots use this corrupt system to silence any and all dissent. Did you catch that, folks? This hate-filled Jew wants to assign collective guilt to all Whites who dissent from the official U.S. government policy of enforced diversity and racial mixing. He states "you attacked the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum", meaning we all share in the blame for the actions of a lone, crazed gunman. He also wants to "charge" Don Black with "anti-semitism" and the "crime" of "promoting hate". Never mind that this Jew knows these things aren't a crime in the United States... yet! He has planted the seed that we are, by definition, law-breakers just for holding a non-kosher view. Or maybe he is just one of the really dumb ones. The Jews will stop at nothing in their attempt to silence the truth, but the truth is on our side. We are going to win. Toward that day! ************************************************************************************************************************* Who, what and why is my question. Is this an ongoing fued or just a goof? Sounds like 2 guys know what's going on. Its Sunday, Alex, you go to Church or whever you go to justify your hate for the next 7 days and I, Mark EPSTEIN will buy the Jew York Times and have a bagel with some cream cheese Lox, tomato and onion and bang my wife and say very dirty things to her. Then I will go to the swim club and listen to the the Yanks win.
I'll believe it when he proves it. We didn't win any games this past season without a strong contribution from Sanchez. Freeman didn't get it done in the big games.
He didn't play well against Pittsburgh. No shocker there. Many QBs struggle against Pittsburgh. He had a Sanchez type of performance vs Baltimore. He struggled most of the game but then led a furious rally late but the Buccs ultimately fell short. He was mediocre against Atlanta both times but played decent enough to keep his team in both games. When the Buccaneers were 7-5 and still alive for the playoffs Freeman had the best four-game stretch of his young career. He went 78 of 109 for 1009 yards with 9 touchdown passes and 0 interceptions. The last two games were against playoff teams. Freeman went 42 of 52 for 492 yards and 7 touchdown passes. Freeman is more accurate than Sanchez. There is no question about it. I don't know how often you've watched Freeman play, so maybe you couldn't do it with the old eyeball test. Certainly the statistics bear it out.
Some one must have peed in his oatmeal. How this dull witted person ever thought this was a good place to post his demented ideology is in it self amazing.
