I'm talking about trading these picks to move up and get an impact player. Looking at both sides you can say... Benefits for trading: We are one step away so getting an impact player could be that next boost to get to the superbowl, there may not be a draft next season, won't have to worry till next year. Disadvantages of trading: Another year with less amount of picks, if that player is a bust we go a year without a 1st or 2nd to makeup for it, Could make the team take a step back. Personally I never like trading future picks, too much of a risk for me but what do you all think? Does it really depend on the player being traded up for or not so much?
The only type of player that you should dip into next years picks for is a QB. If you need a franchise QB and think there is one available, you do whatever you have to do to go get that guy. Obviously if you are wrong, you are fired, and your team goes right in the shitter for a decade. But the only guy worth the risk is a franchise QB. Andrew Luck next year is a perfect example. If you are a team who needs a QB and doesn't have the top pick, then I think it is advisable to go full ditka to get him. That said, the Jets are not in need of a QB, thank you Sanchez... Also, there is no QB worth it this year even if we were. that said, I would love to a team like Miami give it all up to go get a guy like Gabbert at #5. The future of the organization is far to valuable to do so. You never know what the next year is going to hold. What if the entire team falls apart? What if sanchez tears and ACL (knock on wood) or revis breaks his leg, or Rex has a heart attack? Nearly anyone of those things would destroy our season. Then you just gave away a first round pick that you will desperately need next year. To top it off, it would be a high pick. Teams that trade away future picks tend to be the teams who are always at the bottom of the league...
it really depends on a bunch of things. I would rather use our 2012 1st rounder to get back into the early second than use it to move up in the first. This defensive class.. as we all know.. is deep and there will be plenty of people in the early second with 1st round grades. If we can pull something like Cam Heyward and Brooks Reed for our 1st this year, our first next year.. and like a 6th this year.. i say yes.. but i have no idea is that's even plausible. Usually next year firsts aren't rated nearly as much as 1st or 2nd rounders in the current year.. but the best thing about this time of the year.. is that in 2 days.. we'll know exactly whats going on..
I'm only OK with it if Robert Quinn is involved and the following: Quinn falls past 10 We don't give up the 2012 1st rounder Brady sucks cock
Like Tanny says it comes down to Impact players. If your in a position to get one you should go for it. That said, as hesitant as I am about trading pick, if it were one of like 5 guys I would be ok with it. But those 5 guys are all top 10 picks so I dont see how we could even be close to trading up
Depends. Ask me again after the FA rules are established for the coming season. If we revert to 2010 rules, we're likely to pick up extra picks from at least one of our big RFAs. Of course, given that we won't know the FA rules until after the draft, I'm going to have to pass.
I completely forgot about compensatory picks.. how is that going to work if FA is after the draft? will teams just have 2 years of compensatory picks next draft.. that seems a little ridiculous
If you follow basic rules of trading future picks, you'll always have success with it: 1. You never trade away future picks. Ever. Never ever. Ever never. Forever. Believe in that philosophy and you're set. Success in the NFL is far too volatile to ever make a deal like that unless it's weighted so intensely in your favor that passing on it would cost you your job. Of course I'm talking about high picks mostly, but it does go down the line. I would just never be able to justify to myself trading away what could be a top pick in the 1st round for anything other than the same thing.
From 30, it's tough. Even if somehow, say Peterson falls, and he's available at 12 for the Vikings pick. Maybe they would want to trade back and take a QB at 30. It would cost us this years 30 pick (620 points) next years first (420 points?) this years 3rd and 4th just to get the 1200 points needed. It is stated that next years picks are valued a round lower, but a round lower than what? If we trade next years first, is that valued as a high second, mid, or low? The difference is from 270 to 580 points. Probably depends on the team. We are expected to be good, so a team may consider our 2012 pick as being worth 275 points or so. Trading #30, plus our #1 next year gets us to the 15-17 range. I don't think JJ Watt or Cam Jordan worth it considering the options we should have at 30. Plenty of guys in our wheelhouse should be there at 30. Only way I would want to move up is of one of these guys fell to the low 20's, and we traded 2 firsts for a first and third.
comp picks are always given the draft after an offseason and season play themselves out. So the comp picks for the 2010 offseason were already given out for this draft. The comp. picks for the 2011 offseason will be awarded for the 2012 draft next year.
Compensatory picks are awarded after the season. There's no reason to have two years of compensatory picks in the next draft. Those based on the 2010 offseason were awarded this year.
Yes . Seriously, if we can get an impact pass rusher (i.e. Robert Quinn) then I'm not going to criticize a trade up involving future picks.
ohh ok that makes sense, not sure why i thought they were awarded the same year.. thanks for the clear up
You know we essentially traded a future pick last year to get Cromartie so it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility.
I don't agree with this. If some talent that's very high up your draft somehow falls to the middle of rd 2 what's so wrong in trading away a future 1st rder? Look at the Jets... say we would've traded our 2008 1st rder for that LaMarr Woodley pick (#46). Everyone would've said we were idiots during the 2008 draft because that pick turned out to be the 6th in the draft. But in 2010 I think we can all agree we would've done a smart thing. Sure, doing it every year is moronic (hello Panthers GM), but when the right player falls I don't see why not. In fact I wouldn't be pissed at all if we traded our 2012 first rder for a guy like Reed, Sheard, Ayers or Wilkerson if one of them falls to rd2. We have a team to win now and who knows how many coaches will remain in 2012... If we can somehow bring in both an elite DE (Heyward, Wilkerson?) and a good OLB prospect (Reed, Sheard) I'd be thrilled. PS Also, trading a future 1st rd pick for a high 2nd MIGHT be a smart move (depending on who's there, on how good your team is, etc). Packaging your 1st wwith next year's first to trade up is in my opinion very very very stupid and I'd hate it.
Never mortgage future 1st Rd picks. Want a WR next year?? 6 sure fire 1st rd picks: Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M Michael Floyd, Notre Dame Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma Greg Childs, Arkansas
