depends if we have some of the same medical team members who cleared the drafting of Robertsons knee condition. seriously though hes an amazing player but medical questions always scare teams away. with the possibility of someone else falling to 30 without the medical questions im leaning towards no especially with the possibility of severe loss of feeling/movement in his right side specifically his arm. he could make some team look like geniuses. i just wouldnt feel 100 percent confident in the investment if i were a GM
If I'm the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I'm not touching Clayborn (and they're about as weak a team there is at DE).
I agree the medical issue with him is scary, but its something he's had his entire life and to this point it has not hindered him in football at all. Unless this is the type of thing were they expect serious progression in his 20's then He's a completely draftable prospect in the last first.
No, I hate it for the kid, but I don't think he'll ever be able to develop the strength to succeed in the NFL.
I'm confused with Clayborn. As a PSU guy, I've seen him single handedly (no pun) beat the shit out of us. But reading about his medical issues, he sounds like a late second rounder. He's like a fiddler crab with that arm. I wish I knew how bad the other arm really is- without that info, a fan can't make an accurate assessment. I'm not one to say that a guy can't play in one system or another- I feel like if a guy can play, he can play. However, that doesn't mean that someone else isn't a better selection. I just don't see him as BPA at 30 no matter how the draft goes.
I disagree with that statement. Every year teams draft players that are good in one system or in one style of play and then ask them to play in a totally different system or style of play. For example, just because a player plays very well in a read and react type defense, it doesn't mean he will play very well in an aggressive, attacking defense. Also, think of all the "Run and Shoot" QBs like Andre Ware and the kid from Hawaii that was so good just a couple of years ago, then they totally bust in the NFL. Then there's all the WRs who put up great numbers in college because coverage is often so poor, then they get to the NFL and they can't get on the field, or even when they do, they can't get open. Sometimes collegiate players play well because they're more talented or have matured faster than the other players. Sometimes they play better because they've had better coaching or play in a system that better fits their physical skills or mental state of mind. Sometimes they play better because they've worked at it harder than other players. Sometimes players play well in college because they're trying to make a big name for themselves so they can earn a big contract from an NFL team, but once they get it, they think they have it made. Cromartie is an excellent example of that. He has regressed since his rookie season. Supposedly, he refuses to listen to his position coaches and work at refining his technique. There are a number of reasons why players who succeed in the collegiate ranks don't fare well in the NFL.
No, you are right- I should have specified that I am referring more to pass rushers, and lineman making the switch from 4-3 to 3-4. QB's, and CB's are very system specific. You can't take a slow zone corner and just assume he can play in a man scheme. It was more of an argument of 3-4 vs 4-3 system, not so much the various other offensive and defensive schemes teams run. Of course players fail for many reasons- maturation, work ethic, injuries, etc, but this argument actually goes back to a Daquan Bowers discussion from last week. Guys were questioning weather to take him at 30 if he's available. Some guys thought we should pass on him because he's "only a 4-3 end". I think that if someone is as talented as bowers, they will succede. Before anyone can make a Gholston comment, remember that he was given the opportunity to succede at 3 different positions with the Jets, and he failed at every one. He is not a failure because he was drafted to play the wrong position. Anyway, I don't love Clayborn in any system. 2 more days brother.
NP. I agree that it is much easier to predict a player's fortunes in the NFL on the DL, but not always. There are many notable examples there as well. With regard to Bowers, I wouldn't take him for multiple reasons. One is the injury. Two, I have seen more than one scout posit that perhaps Bowers stats are padded because of Jarvis Jenkins. Three, I've seen still others say that he doesn't have that good a burst off the LOS and/or that he doesn't get off blocks well. But hey, I could be dead wrong. If he's there and the Jets take him, I'll root like crazy for him. Ain't it the truth. I'm ready for this draft to be over already. The only problem is that once it is over, unless the dispute is settled quickly, we are gonna quickly run out of things to talk about here. We can only rehash who was drafted and by whom so many times. I'm tired of all the back and forth and speculation.
I feel like we would have the same exact thread if we just changed "Adrian Clayborn" to "Da'Quan Bowers," no?
