the argument would be that its better to let a player move on a year early than a year to late. Also with the case of Moore, at the end of this year, he would still hold some trade value, and could help us net a mid-round pick if we felt Ducasse was ready to take over for him. I don't think Carimi will even be on the board when we pick so its irrelevant, but BPA is the way to go in the first round, and Carimi would almost definately be the BPA if he was on the board at 30.
I agree that Moore is a top 10 guard and he did indeed sign a 4 year extension last year. But lets remember that he just turned 30 and just had major surgery. Within the given scenario, after this coming season we're possibly staring at an aging guard w/ 2 years left on his contract which includes some guarantees and a high draft pick entering his 3rd year with the team who is younger and fits the blocking scheme better. You're telling me Mike tannebaum, the master of cutting dead weight/cap space won't strongly consider replacing Moore w/ Ducasse? Answer that w/ your head not your heart. I'm not sure why it's set in stone that if the Jets draft an RT early, it means they don't think highly of Ducasse. First of all, Ducasse wasn't drafted to play one position and projects highly at multiple O-line positions. Secondly, it's quite possible the Jets lose both Turner and Hunter to free agency. If that happens, the jets suddenly have arguably just as big of a need along the O-line as they do in the front 7 or any other percieved major need. That's a fact.regardless of whether the jets project Ducasse as Larry Allen or Adriene Clark, they still will need to draft at least one more O-linemen to complete at RT and to provide overall depth. Sheesh...people will do anything to crucify a high draft pick who doesn't start from day one of TC. Is there a chance Ducasse is a bust? Sure there is. But why is everyone so insistent on crucifying this guy?
Id never trade a starter who does a great job but is older for a rotational player or lesser valued pick because of his age.
I'm not ready to dismiss Ducasse as a bust, but also not ready to annoint him to replace an excellent talent who still has plenty left. 30-31 is not crazy old for an interior lineman. There is nothing yet to say Ducasse is a better fit than Moore in our blocking scheme. No idea where that thought is coming from. Moore has been great. I think Ducasse is better served competing for RT slot this year, and prefer we bring back Hunter to compete with him, as well as be a potential backup for LT in case of injury. I agree we need line depth, and i'd like to see it as Ducasse and Hunter instead of drafting a T in 1st. That said, if a great T slips to us, we need to consider it. This is just due diligence by our FO in the event of a talent slipping further than he should.
Because Hard Knocks was gospel and it has cemented the opinion of the draft picks from here on out. I never give a flying fuck what happens in a rookie year. People don't get it.
which is why they should only do it if they feel Ducasse is ready to step up for moore. I firmly believe in the steelers method of letting a player move on a year or two too early as opposed to hanging on to them for a year too long... Especially when you have the talent waiting in the wings to take over... But this point is basically moot if Carimi is not sitting there for us at 30...
I understand that the idea of replacing Moore at this time sounds outlandish...and maybe a season from now it still will. But again, we're talking about a guy who will be 31 and who right now is coming off major surgery. If we're looking at a younger,cheaper option at the position while not losing much fall off on the field...Tannenbaum will explore it whether you like it or not. AI understand that the idea of replacing Moore at this time sounds outlandish...and maybe a season from now it still will. But again, we're talking about a guy who will be 31 and who right now is coming off major surgery. If we're looking at a younger,cheaper option at the position while not losing much fall off on the field...Tannenbaum will explore it whether you like it or not. I also stand by my comments about Ducasse fitting the blocking scheme better. I'm not suggesting Moore hasn't been great under Bill Callahan...and I agree w/ those who believe Moore is a top 5 guard in this league. The only thing i am pointing out is that Callahan's scheme calls for wide frames, good lower body strength, the ability to move laterally and most importantly natural power out of the stance. Guys like Mangold,Woody,Slauson and Ducasse are perfect for this scheme. Moore has average lower body strength/natural power and isn't the widest body in the world. In essence he is not a great fit for this scheme. He's been able to flourish regardless due to quickness off the snap, ability to engage blockers on the second level, and very good pad level. Brick isn't a perfect fit for the scheme either. However, he too has had success mainly due to the fact that he's arguably the best pass protector in the NFL, and makes up for his lack of width/power by being quick off the snap and using his long arms to engage defenders. They're both great players for this team.. I'm just pointing out Moore maybe poised for a step back within the next 2 seasons and if a younger/cheaper option who fits the scheme better is out there...we all know Tanny is going to explore it.
I don't remember seeing anything in this thread about Michael Galatas visiting with the Jets, but if so, I'm sorry. Anyway, has anyone heard of this kid or seen him play? I found the following at another Jets site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVsPijyPGqI He isn't just a track guy playing football. He seems to have good hands, excellent vision, the ability to make people miss and to break tackles. His route running looks pretty good, too, though it's hard to tell. At any rate, he scores as a WR, PR, KR and even scores on a free kick following a safety. he could be a STs terror, and possibly contribute as a WR as well. He probably would need some time, coaching and may be too small, but the kid can play.
I haven't heard of him, but if Al Davis has heard of him, I bet he gets drafted way to high. But if he is a UDFA, there is no risk to bringing him in, maybe he surprises and makes the team (kind of like they tried to do with Larry Taylor last year) or he just isn't NFL ready and we drop him. But as we all know there are a few things you can't teach, one is heart, another is speed. and blazing speed is at a premium, if you have a guy with top notch speed on the field, sometimes you can teach him the other stuff. Maybe we get lucky, who knows? watched his video, he seems to have good hands, catches the ball away from his body, definately a burner, he just runs right by so many of those guys, but I was astounded by the number of KR/PR for tds he had by his junior year. Some are repeats from different angles, but there are so many its mind boggling also found footage of him working out at the d2-d3 proday... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur7ABlEGrhM&NR=1 at beggining it shows all of his "official" pro day numbers.
is that who you expect him to become as a player? or are you just saying Davis drafted ford last year?
I think he can fill a role similar to jacoby ford, but is more raw...although considering ford was a raw talent himself
Jacoby Ford was a player I was hoping the Jets would take coming into that draft. We wound up with McKnight and I was excited for him being on thr team(probably a little too much for his rookie year) but I think we have a player in a similar mold. McKnight will see more plays coming out of the backfield but I think we'll see some huge strides from him, especially if he is working with Sanchez for Jets West. He is the perfect player to be learning from LT as far as pass plays out of the backfield. The 2010 draft class will prove itself in the next season(2011/2012). And McKnight will be a big part of the offense.
Plus 1 I could not agree more. We got spoiled by having all those high picks. The later you draft it's more on potential. The last draft was a potential draft.
