Cameron Heyward at #30

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  1. WW85

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    Ten days before the draft I've decided the best selection for the NY Jets at #30, if available, is Cameron Heyward. Which would be my BPA, consistent with my beliefs.

    I don't expect some of you guys to understand my reasoning. To have a good pass rush, you need to have a solid DE to take on O-lineman.

    First, I'm not being an Ohio State homer. I was probably the first and consistent Gholston hater a year before he was drafted, I never wavered.

    I haven't posted much lately, I've been reviewing lots of game tape on players that could/should be available when the Jet's are OTC.

    I've come to the conclusion Heyward would be an excellent choice at #30.

    Don't bother with your Buckeye hate and Gholston shit, it doesn't have ANY correlation, none, zero, nada. Both are 2 different players.

    Shaun Ellis is in his 12 th year and is more than likely done. The Jets have to address the 5 technique and Heyward is a perfect fit.


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    Heyward's positives from my POV:

    - A team leader & Captain of the Buckeyes. Stayed for Senior Season.
    - Played best games against Top competition. (Sugar Bowl & Rose Bowl)
    - Tremendous work ethic and passion for the game & loves Football.
    - Pedigree, wants to make his late Father proud.
    - Great person who isn't selfish and a team player.
    - Doesn't give up on the play, moves lateral to make plays.
    - Gets good push and leverage on opposing lineman.
    - Takes on Double teams.
    - Excellent run stopper.
    - Knocks down the pass, get's his hands up.


    Negatives (my POV):

    - Not a great athlete, can disappear at times.
    - Needs stay on his feet at times.
    - Doesn't have super pass rush ability (most 3-4 DEs don't).
    - Slow first step, but builds up momentum.


    Cameron Heyward may never be a Pro-bowl player but has all the ability to be a solid 3-4 DE in the Jet's defense for a decade and have at least a similar career as Shaun Ellis.
     
  2. Mr Electric

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    I completely agree with this. Good shit, WW.

    My gut tells me that he won't be around when we pick, but who knows?
     
  3. Mambo9

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    And why do you think he's better than Muh Wilkerson? Just throwing out the other 34DE commonly associated with the Jets...
     
  4. WW85

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    I can only hope, If the Pats go Jordan or Watt, we may have a shot.

    Thanks E...watch that Sugar Bowl tape. CH was the best player that day...hands down.
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    The Pats will more than likely end up with one of those guys. I can see them doing something uncommon like trading up for Julio Jones. They definitely have the ammo.

    We just have to hope Baltimore goes after a receiver and not a defensive lineman.
     
  6. WW85

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    Level of competition is a big reason.

    Wilkerson looks lost at times, I've watched quite a bit of his game films.

    Wilkerson is a tremendous athlete and is a more "violent, physical player". Needs to work on angles and more solid tackles.
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    ...just want to throw this in real quick:

    After last year's draft, this fan base wants a player that can be a serious contributor right away. Cameron Heyward will do that and then some. The kid's an NFL ready prospect.
     
  8. WW85

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    B-more always drafts BPA. They can use a DE, but their secondary is a weak link. A shot in the dark could be Carimi, if he falls to B-more.
     
  9. Mr Electric

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    ...hadn't thought about Gabe Carimi to Baltimore. That could definitely happen.

    Jimmy Smith, Brooks Reed, Cameron Heyward, and Torrey Smith are the prospects I've been mocking to the Ravens.
     
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    What you put in bold in the OP is very important.

    People need to realize that because one bust comes from a school it doesn't mean a team should avoid the school altogether.
     
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    Maybe if he had gone to Penn State, but all Ohio players are bust Like that bum Mangold.
     
  12. JohnnyThaJet

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    I have a question, but first off to be honest, after Watt and Jordan, Heyward is my favorite 3-4 End, fuck the tommy john bullshit the kid will be a hell of a player IMO. Id even be willing to bet in a few seasons he could be almost or just as effect as Justin Smith of the 49ers. A great 3-4 DE who can actually get some sacks even though its not his main role.

    My question is, I was listening to Path to the Draft and the interview with the Wisconsin head coach talking about DE's. They asked him about Heyward and Kerrigan and who stands out the most to him and he explained that he thinks Kerrigan is a much better player because while Cam had plenty of help on defense Kerrigan didnt and still did much better. Does that concern you at all coming from a college Head coach who taught the likes of Watt ?
     
  13. WW85

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    I saw that interview.

    I didn't get from Bielema that Kerrigan was better. Bielema basicly said both were great, but Wisconsin had to key on Kerrigan cause he was the star of Purdue's defense.

    Wisconsin couldn't key on Heyward cause the Buckeye defense had multiple outstanding players.
     
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    I still think we should do the Ditka and trade up for Cam Newton....then convert him to a TE.
     
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    I'll pass and it has nothing to do with Heywards talent nor the Jets lack of need at the position but if the Jets have to choose between Heyward and trading down, Id rather down
     
  16. JohnnyThaJet

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    I see, I interpreted it as him saying that Kerrigan was a dominator on a small D while Heyward blended in with a great defense. Translating to Kerrigan has more potential no matter what kind of D he plays on while Heyward needs a good D to be efficient. Not saying I agree with that at all but thats what I thought he meant.

    Here's the video if you all are wondering : http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f52e68/Bielma-on-prospects
     
  17. MagillaGuerilla

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    The only thing I have against drafting Heyward, and it's nothing to do with him or his play, but it puts the Jets out of contention for a legit OLB for another year IMO.

    Can the Jets rely on Pace and Cactus to rush the passer, even with Heyward? I just can't see a good OLB available late 3rd or later that fits what the Jets need...
     
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    I had us selecting him in my mock draft a month ago (which my next edition should be coming out soon).
     
  19. IIMeanDeanII

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    I get that same feeling, but at the same time, our DL is the most important need IMO. We have went several years with the same duo on the outside and our sack numbers have been fine. They will only improve with a stud like Heyward on the end. Our pass rush will be much better with someone like Heyward playing the 5tech.

    I am not trying to be a Ohio State homer either, I also was never a fan of Gholston, but I honestly think Heyward is going to stick out in this draft as a player. He is under-rated, and I truly believe that.
     
  20. Sir

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    Totally agree and have been saying this in a few other threads that Heyward is my #1 for us followed by Wilkerson and than Ayers.

    Kid gives 100%, loves the game, plays through injuries, is tough, and the list goes on.

    He's being underrated because of his lack of offseason workouts due to the Tommy John Surgery (a surgery we have in common I might add!) but that will have no effect on him once the season comes around.

    He was nagged by injuries this whole past year and his production took a bit of a hit because of it, but just look what he did when he got a little rest, he dominated in the bowl game against Arkansas. Kid is legitimate and without the injury(s) would IMO be going in the top 15.
     

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