Came up with an idea the other day and I think it should help with discussion in this forum even more than we already have. With the flurry of mocks some tend to get over looked than others. So I thought maybe we could get a little something goin for "bragging" rights after draft day and just the fun of it. Now if you had a mock previously its okay to change what you had before but once you enter it in here, unless something huge happens with the Jets example: a big signing, a trade, injury, etc. , its like your final entry. Here's some rules to abide by to make everything fair: - Each pick must have an explanation, it can be short or long doesnt matter - All Jets picks must be included (1,3,4,5,6,7) - ANYONE can participate, whether youve posted here 6,000 times or 0. - No idiotic entries, if your not draft savy its okay but nothing as dumb as Tom Brady at # 30, Drew Brees at #94, you get it. - No pictures, just some words thats all we need. - Entry must be in a day before the draft. - Trades, as long as practical, can be in your mocks. - Have fun and dicuss. Here's my entry to start (same one as my previous mock) : 30) Jets – Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA This is a hell of a scenario for the Jets having Ayers, Reed, Liuget, and Paea available to choose from. But they go with the best OLB on the board and the most versatile. Im a huge fan of Ayers, he does everything on the field and he is a Rex Ryan kind of guy. He can edge rush, play inside, cover the TE. He can do it all but needs some polish, Rex and Pettine will have just what he needs with a comfortable process of fun for TC and a vast amount of mentoring from Harris, Thomas, Scott, Pace, and maybe even Jason Taylor. He’ll become a fan favorite soon enough and I pray we get em. #94) Allen Bailey, DE, The U Kill me for this one if you hate Bailey but I think he falls in this draft but right into our laps, he had a disappointing season and has been up and down but I think he has great size (6’3 285lbs) for the 3-4 DE position for us and is also one hell of an athlete , I know we use this line as a Jet fan a lot but if there’s a coach that can make a DLineman consistent, its Rex Ryan. #126) Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple Jarrett may not be a starter for the Jets in his first season but he is a nice Safety prospect that could be there in the end of the fourth. He had a great college career ( 9 INTs) and can eliminate the slot WR, which we so desperately need. #161) Zach Hurd, OG/OT, UConn A Guard/Tackle prospect that I love that very well could go higer ( end of the 4th or top 5th) but I think he falls a bit because of the value of some other guys in the 3 and 4th rounds being available. Hurd is a project but in a few years he could start for us IMO, he’s just solid all around, good in the pass and the run, has good hands, durable, and has a mean streak in em. #194) DeAndre Brown, WR, Southern Miss Im weary about this pick but its worth the risk at the end of the 6th round. Brown is definitely a high risk high reward kid. He has great hands, has good speed (4.54 40 time) has a 6’5 220 Lbs frame, and can run block. But with notable bad route running, big time character issues, and his low intelligence he has made many scouts put him at a 2nd to 3rd round prospect to 5th to UDFA. I think he’s worth the risk and if kicked into gear can really surprise. #208) Orie Lemon, ILB, Oklahoma State A kid that had a ton of tackles in his college career and was Oklahoma State’s first all-conference linebacker since 2003. He can be a nice ST player and can come in on a few plays covering for Scott and Harris without being a major liability. He could go Undrafted but is a nice pickup for the 7th. Good luck with your picks!
Question: are the picks what I hope will happen (nothing unrealistic of course) or what I predict will happen?
Well it would basically be for "who is the closest to being right"/ mass player discussion. So I would do what you would do in a mock, be practical but also pick prospects who you like.
I like the idea, good way to organize such a thing. I'm assuming the picks don't have to be in until right before the draft right? In other words the start of the draft is the cutoff time/date?
Yes Im thinking a day before the draft but the only downfall is there wont be much discussion about your particular draft. Ill add that in the rules box.
Great idea You could make a separate thread for discussion. and make sure no one updates after the draft starts. also here's mine I'll probably update before the deadline. I think we trade our first pick with the titans for their second(39), their fourth(109), and either a fifth(142) or sixth(194). Also I double dip at both defensive end and outside linebacker because we need depth and eventually starters at those positions. And I prefer the depth of these positions in the draft more than at OT. 2) Brooks Reed OLB Arizona We need a pass rusher and i think theirs a fairly good chance that either Reed or Ayers will fall here. But I think it's more likely to be Reed 3) Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson I think he would be a great strongman up front. He would help create gaps. And we need youth up front. 4) Greg Salas WR Hawaii He's a tough receiver with great hands and would be great in the slot for us. 4) Eric Hagg S Nebraska A Rex Ryan kinda guy, tough smart hard working. he can also play man coverage. 5) Jerrell Powe NT Ole Miss A big strong nose tackle who could come in as a rotational player immediately. 5) Cedric Thornton DE Southern Arkansas A developmental 5 technique who could be great under Rex. 6) Markus White OLB Florida State A great pass rushing prospect, who could come in as a specialist at first. 7) Alex Green RB Hawaii could be a great pass catching running back. and would have a year to develop under LT.
Since you arent done Emania yet Ill give you some time but once you put an entry in thats your entry, so choose wisely and thoroughly on trades and such. And Thanks, I think Ill save everyones draft as they are posted to the thread. Im not sure about a discussion thread, Ill see how many enter in this first before I do so.
Saved your entry to document on my computer. The value works out great on the value chart, off by only one so thats a plus for sure. I love Reed, he's a good consolation prize but we'd have to be really careful with the trade back because he may not be there since he'd most likely to the best pass rusher on the board and would have to get past the Packers, Pats, Bills, and Cards. Again I like this pick, Jenkins is a great player and a perfect fit for out DE spot and rotational guy. Only problem is im not 100% sure he falls to the end of the 3rd. Ive never been huge on Salas, his separation problems on the field and inflated numbers are a bit concering although 2 100 receptions seasons is really solid. Id maybe rather an Austin Pettis at this pick but I wouldnt be dissapointed. Good spot for Hagg, he should go mid to late 4th, he wont be an immediate starter but Im high on him as well. I think Powe will be picked earlier then this but he's a solid NT, I want him to beef back up to his dominant size but he's another great pick. I dont think the small school hurts Thornton this much, hes a monster and should be picked where Salas was is (value wise), though I could be wrong. Either way he's a great player. I think White is a 5th rounder but at 6th he's great value. No way Green is here, his stock is BOOMING since many teams see him as being effective his first year. Would rather of seen a QB or OLine at this pick. Overall good draft, some value is off but that could happen on draft day for sure. The trade is very very accurate, not sure I LOVE it but I wouldnt be discouraged with this type of draft. Maybe somewhere I would of went Oline for development, even in the 7th. But other than that very solid mock man.
Yep, one of his biggest knocks was his speed, he squashed that with 4.45 40 with a 1.56 split. Poor man's Steven Jackson IMO, and not just because he looks like him. Powerful runner with good hands and speed. Only real knock is the offense and conference he played in. I'll have my mock up later...
Also a negative I see is he takes WAY too many big hits, he just gets smacked around and doesnt defend himself well enough which could lead to injury against NFL players. Awesome man, thanks for participating, will be on the look out for it.
I'm not really up on the college players but this is a great idea to have some fun so I feel inclined to submit an entry. Don't flame me too hard as I recognize I'm not an expert. TRADE: Jets trade 1.30 (620pts) to Minnesota for 2.11, 4.9, 5.8, and 5.19 (470 + 80 + 38 + 32) so Minny can move ahead of Buffalo/Cinci/Arizona and grab the #3 QB off the board (assuming one of those teams have not already jumped to #28 with a Patriots trade). 2.11) Jets – Jabaal Sheard, OLB, Pitt Sheard has some "character" issues but he really stepped up his game this past season when Romeus went down. I think he brings a good football 'tude to the defense and he will be able to get after the QB. He is not an elite OLB but he will contribute right away. 3.30) Kendrick Ellis, NT, Hampton We need some beef in the middle to help Sione who is good but we can't count on him to anchor the middle forever. Getting a 6'5" 346lb NT in the 3rd round is pretty good value. He will be able to step in right away and provide some solid minutes. 4.9) Denarius Moore, WR, Tenn One of Braylon or Santonio will be gone this season so we need to draft an eventual replacement. I think the Jets will try to integrate Cumberland more as a receiver this year and will draft Moore and groom him to play in a year or two (rookie receivers usually suck after all). 4.29) Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers I hope he is still available here after his strong Pro-Day. A big, fast safety who will cover a lot of ground for the D. As a bonus he's also a great kick returner, although the new rule kind of makes that obsolete. 5.8) Lawrence Guy, DE/DT, ASU A classic frame for 3-4 DE at 6'4" 305 lbs. Has a good motor and some good pass rushing skill but will need to get stronger to hold up against the run. 5.19) Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona Here's a guy who doesn't have great measurables but knows how to play the game. I see from a few sites he is projected in the 6th but if he is available here the Jets take a chance on another guy who can flat out play. 5.30) Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson We need some depth on the line with Hunter and/or Turner likely leaving. 6.29) Josh Thomas, CB, Buffalo It will probably kill Rex to wait this long to draft a CB but the team likes Josh. He is a hard worker and has good hips with fluid motion. If nothing else he is PS for a year or two. 7.5) Mario Harvey, ILB, Marshall Only 5'11" but weighs in at 257 and runs a 4.46 40 with a 1.59 10. I think he's a steal and will contribute right away on ST.
I really like the Reed/Jenkins duo to start things off. I would be excited about those two coming to the Jets. In the 4th round, there are WR prospects I like better than Salas such as Denarius Moore or Jeremy Kerley. I like the Cedric Thornton pick. Regarding Powe, if what NFL teams said in the PFW chart is accurate, they see him as a 7th round pick, so that would be a bit of a reach. I was shocked by that, but I'm assuming it's because of his inability to read and quite possibly a learning disability or retardation. Whatever the case, I'd only take a shot on him in the 6th or 7th round.
I'd be very happy with this draft, at least in terms of potential. I love the trade down and gaining additional picks. If Brooks Reed and/or Martez Wilson are still there at 2.11, I'd probably take one of them over Sheard, and maybe even Sam Acho, but could live with Sheard. There are some very solid prospects and I like addressing multiple positions and the depth. I might take Cedric Thornton over Lawrence Guy or Elmore. Overall, good job, I think.
Going for Plausible rather than pretty: #30- Akeem Ayers, OLB UCLA When you bring more versatility to the 3-4, the better it becomes. I can't really say much more that hasn't already been said by JTJ. #94- Greg Little, WR UNC With the uncertainty with both Holmes and Edwards, I went WR here. Not only is Little a huge target for Sanchize to throw to, but he is also a strong blocker in the run game. Great redzone target... #126- Pernell McPhee, DE MSU Hard working lineman who can develop into something special. Needs to add some weight, played around 285, but lost 7 pounds for the Combine. Very strong, but also very raw, only 5 years of football experience... #161- Stephen Schilling, OL Michigan A 4 year starter who helped pave the way for Michigan's 13th ranked rushing offense. He fits best in a zone blocking scheme, has experience playing both Guard and Tackle in his 4 years of starting. #194- Byron Maxwell, DB Clemson Maxwell has the speed to play CB and the strength to play S(6 career FF). He might be better fit with the play in front of him, but could play CB in dime situations. #208- Charlie Gantt, TE Michigan State A strong inline blocker who also possesses soft hands and good size. Pairs well with Keller and allows the Jets to field a TE instead of Turner in Jumbo formations. There are also about 10 potential UDFAs that I'd like to see the Jets sign, but that's for another time...
I have a very strong feeling that Cameron Heyward, Akeem Ayers, Muhammad Wilkerson and all the other top OLBs and DEs will be gone by #30, and the Jets will have a choice between Gabe Carimi, Brooks Reed, and Phil Taylor. I think that Rex would love to have all three of these guys on his team, but goes with: #30 Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona - I think Rex loves Reed's motor, speed and potential, plus knows that he has to do something to find the best OLB prospect he can in this draft, so goes with Reed over Carimi or Taylor. #94 Jaiquawn Jarrett, S, Temple - Jarret may not still be there at #94, but if he is, I think the Jets jump at the chance to take him. He's already very solid vs the run, is a solid tackler and hitter, and has a lot of potential vs the pass. #126 John Moffit, OG, Wisconsin - I think that Rex would love to grab a CB here like Chykie Brown, CB, Texas,especially with questions about Cromartie's return and whether Wilson is ready to step up, however, with Brandon Moore recovering from offseason hip surgery and not available until August, with the question marks surrounding the RT spot, and with Mr. T's predilection for taking OL in the lower rounds of the draft for Callahan to develop, I think they hedge their bets and take Moffit as insurance. #161 Cedric Thornton, DE, Southern Arkansas - dominated against lesser competition, is strong, has the tools to develop into a solid player #194 Denarius Moore, WR, Tennessee - soft hands, smooth, NFL ready, 4.43 speed, disciplined route runner.* #208 Chris Nield, NT, West Virginia - run-stuffer, rotational player UDFA Gabe Miller, OLB, Oregon State; *I used the PFW Chart where NFL teams rate where players will go. According to that, Moore will go at the bottom of the 6th Rd.
The players in this draft are awesome, I like alot of rookies with varying but good potential and there is PLENTY to go around in a draft like this. Like JoeKlecko said I think Id rather Martez Wilson or Sam Acho over Sheard, I like Sheards potential but Wilson and Acho IMO have more of an impact there rookie season than I think Sheard does. Although I wouldnt be bummed out about it. The trade is solid but IMO that trade ( Unless somehow the Pats are looking to get Lockers as rumored) might not work out ( QB wise) since trading with the Pats would be cheaper ( pick #33 compared to #30). BUT If some team does trade with the Pats the Jets is the next best spot for a trade up. ( I dont think the Steelers or Packers want to trade down with the possible OLine, CBs, and DE's that could be available like Sherrod, Harris, and Heyward.) All your players like I said are great, I think some are a little mixed up IMO value wise, although I could be wrong. I think Moore can be picked up in the late 4th while a better safety with more college INTs could be had in the 4th like Jarret or Sash. Also Im not 100% that Guy is there in the top of the 5th, although that would be awesome, he doesnt have an injury past, is a more solid then great player, great personality, but not consistent against the run, which to me has 4th rounder written all over him. Last thing Hairston should be gone by the late 5th, If he's there I would be very excited but maybe a round earlier could be were he goes but the draft is very up and down so we'd all have to see. I see him more as a 4th rounder because of the drop off of OT after Barksdale. For a not so knowledgeable draft guy as you state you did a very very solid job. Thank you for participating as well.
I try not to pick favorite but in a non trade down scenario draft this is my favorite so far. AND yes this is very Ayers bias, i know many of you dont like him but I think he'll be one HELL of a player and could really be something special, I see his floor as a poor mans Mike Vrabel and his ceiling as Shaun Phillips. Essentially his lowest potential is a guy who doesnt do one thing "amazingly" but does everything else consistently, stops the run, pressures the QB, reliable in pass coverage. While his ceiling is a 9 to 11 sack per OLB who gets consistent pressure, takens on TEs and can rack up the tackles and TFLs. ( Sorry MG I know you know I explain this 24/7 but I'm really infatuated in drafting this kid) Greg Little at the end of the 3rd is a bit questionable, I think a team will SHOCK the world and pick him up early to mid 2nd because of his potential to be a bigger version of Hakeem Nicks. I think a guy like Titus Young or Jerrel Jerrnigan could be there though. Not trying to cut the rest of this short but I do that only because the rest is awesome, all the positions Id like to address are there and the value is very accurate. McPhee can start at DE opposite Ellis or in rotation with Devito from day one IMO and brings great athleticism. Schilling is a very VERY smart kid and his awareness is very NFL like, he does everything solid and effective and gets great movement in the run game. If he can learn to get back into his blocks and stop getting beat by quicker DEs/ OLBs he can start one day guaranteed because of his smarts and size. I like Maxwell, he is a hell of a strong and physical CB and has some nickel potential because of his ability to knock around some WRs and consistency in press coverage. Although his man to man skills on tape kind of worry me a bit. Gantt as you know I love, he's very mature, can catch and great at blocking and would be a great 2nd TE pickup in the 7th. Great Job MG, bravo. Thank you as well for participating.
Kleck you and I sometimes differ from players we like in this draft but Id have to say you did a really great job on this draft, alot of HIGH potential draft guys. I have one BIG problem with this draft while the rest is really good, IF Carimi is there which I sincerly doubt he would be since he's a better prospect then Solder and Sherrod, and I know youve been anticipating this most likely but Id take him in a heartbeat, alot like how even though OLBs and DE's like Hughes, Misi, Kindle, Jospeh, and Houston who where all on our raider were available we went BPA and picked up a guy who still IMO will be a very good starter in the NFL. Carimi locks down the RT spot for ten years and we can still put Vlad at RG if we decide to trade Moore in a year after this one, while still grooming him. A line of DBrick, Slauson, Mangold, Moore, Carimi is unstoppable. Now even though that would leave us without a OLB I think a guy like Chris Carter or 4th round Bruce Miller would be very good and give us pass rush and then on we could double dip at DE. ANYWAYS haha, Jarret is awesome to me, as you can see I am a big fan of his. He is a ballhawk, can tackle, has played against good competition, and can cover the slot. Moffit is a beast, a better version of Slauson 2.0, he could be a starter one day I truely believe that, his mix of run blocking and pass skills really fits what we'd like in our Oline. he'd be great at either LG or RG. Thornton is another guy I like, not sure he is there in the late 5th because of his numbers but if he was Id say in a few years he could easily bring what Ellis does at the DE spot, athleticism, burst off the snap, and one scary mean streak. Moore's value is always SO confusing I really dont know if he's a 4th rounder or 6th rounder, Id say probably early 5th but like Ive said the draft is nuts. His potential is great, he's got good speed and is a great candidate for the slot. If he's not there, another guy I like at this spot is Dwayne Harris out of ECU, a guy with decent speed but some great hands ( 184 receptions the past two seasons) and rips apart the zone giving Sanchez a nice target over the middle. Neild is another great guy, his stock is rising a bit but IMO the late 6th early 7th is very appropriate. Another great rotational guy who could actually see a nice amount of time for a 7th rounder, maybe the next Devito? I like Gabe Miller dont get me wrong but he'll get draft because of his speed and ST potential. I could be wrong of course. I like a guy like Christian Anthony I LOVE as a potential 7th round/ UDFA. Will be drafted low or not drafted because of medical concerns ( heart attack) and his small school ( Grambling) but I like his 16 sack total and 7 INTs for a OLB/DE in 2 years. He's a big guy at 6'4 280 but he has the speed and bulk to be a great situational pass rusher for the Jets. But all in all really great work here Kleck, I like your players drafted and high potential level guys. You did a really nice job in analysis and I would be happy with a draft like this as well. Like the others, I really appreciate the participation.
Johnny, Thanks. I agree that the Jets would possibly (maybe even likely) take Carimi, and I wouldn't be upset if they did, would really just prefer they'd take Reed. I like Carter, Bruce Miller and even Moch, but can't see Rex taking any of them except possibly Miller. I think he wants his OLBs a certain size and am not sure he'd be willing to compromise. I also don't think Bruce Miller has the speed or physical tools to be the kind of pass rusher the Jets need. If the Jets took Carimi at #30, I think they'd probably look to trade up in the 3rd and get Sam Acho. If not, then it might be Bruce Miller or Beal, the Oklahoma kid in the 4th. I'll be surprised if Tanny doesn't at least try to trade up in the 1st, but think his hands will be tied from not having a 2nd round pick and because of the uncertainty of FA. I'll also be totally shocked if he trades down. Yes, it is confusing knowing where players are likely to go. Denarius Moore definitely could go earlier. I was surprised that NFL teams have him listed as a lower 6th round prospect. I think they'll look to get a WR, but not too early. I'd love to see them get Jerrell Jernigan, but he'd probably already be gone by #94 anyway and they have too much need to address the front 7 to spend their first 2 picks on offense. If they did go that way, it would also mean that if they want a S they'd have to go with Hagg or Quinton Carter in the 4th and I'm not that high on either of them. I agree with you about Gabe Miller. I wouldn't be opposed to using the 6th or 7th round pick on him. He has a lot of upside. I'm actually not all that high on Nield, but with Jenkins possibly not coming back and Tevaseau an unknown, I think the Jets HAVE to get an NT prospect in this draft. In the end, I don't care if I'm totally wrong or who's right. I just want the Jets to get the right players who will help them get to and win the Lombardi Trophy.
First off the bolded part is a great attitude to have, I think inside even though draft obsessed we all feel that way. If we traded up in the 3rd that would be rather awesome, only reason is because if youve seen the past guys we've traded up for ( Sanchez, Revis, Harris, Keller) they are all crazy good. I think if Carimi was picked I do agree trading up in the 3rd (using a pick from next year and maybe Bryan Thomas) I think could be for a guy like Moch, as much as i dont LOVE him as a prospect his speed and workouts are really impressive and I think Acho is gone by the end of second. Maybe a trading partner like SD who has a 3rd pick later on or San Fran who has alot of picks and needs depth at OLB, thats where Bryan Thomas comes in and we could sign a OLB in FA like Manny Lawson. Hagg I like over Carter but yes both prospects arent what youd call instant impact guys. Be high on Neild, he is very similar to Mike Devito, a great run stuffer and makes great plays when needed. A NT is a big need (backup wise) I actually believe it should be addressed around the 5th as long as value is there. Maybe Powe if he drops?
