I disagree completely with the Ayers pick if Houston is still on the board. Houston just seems to me to be a guy Rex would love, and would mold into a great pass rusher. Ayers, i think will never be a stud pass rusher, he will be a great all around OLB, and a great cover guy, but thats not what we need, we need a pass rusher. Houston can be that guy, and I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Rex tried to turn him into the next Jason Taylor... Ayers, is a great player, and would fit in our defense well, and I would be happy to add him, if the top pass rushers are off the board. which in this case they are not. Ayers to me seems like he will be a better Bryan Thomas. 5-6 sacks a year, great in run support and a good-great coverage player. Exceptional complimentary OLB. but what the Jets need right now is a pass rushing demon who will be relentless in his pursuit of the QB. Ayers isn't that player, it doesn't mean I don't want him on my team, i absolutely would, given that the best rushers are already gone...
32) Packers select Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois Ryan grant now has a real running buddy. Can you imagine what Rodgers can do with a consistent ground game? Panthers OTC
Like I said its a hard pick to make with both of them on the board. I like Houston over Ayers because of his pass rush moves and 270 Lbs quick frame but to me Ayers can also be molded into that "pash rushing maller" at OLB with Rex teaching him. I love the fact that he can be THE complete LB in a few years and basically do everything ( Get to the QB, stop the run, help in pass coverage, eliminate the TE in short routes, etc) I worry about Houstons immediate impact since he must take time to convert at 3-4, remember he's only played the position for 1 year. And also dont forget the Jets are reported to be "extremely high on him", now maybe this is becaus they dont expect Houston to be at 30 but I think Rex and Pettine would be in love with Ayers. Ive been a huge fan of Ayers and maybe this is my bias pick between the two but I think in the long run fans wouldnt regret it.
Shit, for some reason I thought the Eagles drafted him already..... Am I allowed to change it to Harris anyone? I definitely think Harris would be a better pick than Williams edit: I changed it to Harris before it gets too late, if that causes any problems from the Packers draft pick or draft rules let me know, but if I knew he was available I would have definitely gone with him.
Just edit it. I mean its not like it would matter ya know? And its not on that list yet I dont think. So just go ahead and plug em in.
Like i said in my post, Ayers is going to be a great player. But like you said he will be the "complete" OLB. He will do everything well, but IMO the weakest part of his game is always going to be his pass rushing skills. Like I said, I don't see him as being anything more than a consistent 5-7 sack a year guy. While we certainly could use a guy like ayers, but with a real pass rushing threat still on the board I think we have to take him. the pass rusher is what our team needs more right now. Like you said, the Jets are reportedly very high on Houston. I can see Rex believing he could turn him into the next Jason Taylor. I don't doubt that rex would be very happy to have Ayers, but if he could get his Terrell Suggs here in NY i think he would be infinitely happier to do so...
Also curious why Lesoure would be picked over Houston for the Packers? They have a need at OLB opposite Matthews and that would be a sick combo. Also having Grant and Starks I dont think they really need a RB just yet. Maybe a bruiser later on or pure FB over Kuhn.
Definately wouldnt have bothered the packers draft. They have shields and Tramon Williams currently, with Woodson a nickelback/whatever they want to do with him player, they should not be thinking CB with their first pick...
I was thinking of it in the simple manner that the only weakness on that offense is the ground game. If you add in another back, specifically a guy like Leshoure, that offense becomes more or less unstoppable. If Leshoure becomes the type of back I expect him too, I believe that offense could become one of the all time greats. As good as Houston could be, I think turning one side of the ball into an unstoppable force (with what may just be the best QB in the game today, who is just entering his prime) is more important than adding a pass rusher that has the questions Houston does. I think Houston will be a damn good one, but for the pack, the draw of making one unit that close to perfect on paper, is just too much. Also I am not much of a believer in James Starks, and as far as Grant goes, he is coming off a significant injury, and has always been somewhat of an injury risk... Also I have a feeling a pass rusher will be sitting there for GB in round 2...
Sorry I meant very high on Ayers, read it on rotoworld. When I say complete LB I mean does everything very well, as well as sacks, ( not sure what player to compare him to) but a guy that may not rack up Woodley or Harrison type numbers ( I dont think Houston will either) but would get about 9-12 sacks once he develops nicely. He just simply has so much potential to do everything for us at the LB position and I promise you if picked he will surprise you greatly, even with his limited pass rush moves.
I don't mean to downplay how good Ayers can be, but I am saying I don't see ayers as being that kind of sack artist. Houston has the potential to be that guy, which is why I think he is the guy we should take in that situation.
I think RB is an overrated need for them, they need a scat back, not a starter. They have good back returning with Grant and 2 projects they like with Starks and Nance, I couldn't see them passing up Houston, even though I don't like him, for a RB...
Nice pick for the Jets! Ayers is the no brainer in that scenario. I don't want anything to do with Justin Houston. I really can't understand all the hate for Ayers either, but, it is what it is.
I couldn't disagree more about Ayers. I think he's gonna discover that when he gets into an NFL TC that his coverage skills start evaporating because he doesn't have the foot speed to keep up with them. The same thing goes for stopping the run. His vertical and broad jump are fairly pedestrian, revealing a lack of explosion and his 3 cone time is pretty bad as well. Even if it really is a 7.19 rather than a 7.49 as the author has listed, that is still one of the worst 3 Cone times of any OLB prospect. Someone cited Brian Orakpo as an OLB with a pedestrian 3-Cone time and used him as an example, but Orakpo has much better broad and vertical jump scores and is more explosive off the snap. Of course the numbers don't tell everything, but in watching the videos of Ayers, I just don't see what you guys love about him. He made some plays, sure, but they were against mediocre teams. I think his only shot in a 3-4 is as an ILB and the Jets already have two slow ILBs in Scott and Harris. Of course, I could be wrong, and if so and the Jets take him, I hope that he will be everything that you and other guys say he will be. I just don't think that's gonna be the case.
I'd rather trade down into the 2nd and take Kenric Ellis than take Ayers. If Houston were there, I'd take him in a NY minute.
It isn't just Combine numbers. IMO in the videos his lack of speed and explosion is readily apparent. In spite of reading plays correctly, he frequently gets there a step or two too late to make the play.
