Wilson and Ducasse aren't looking like anything after one season. Good, bad, or otherwise. You can't make any snap judgments at this point.
I'm not calling them busts but consider me underwhelmed. Wilson couldn't get snaps before Drew Coleman and Ducasse was beat out by Slauson. I still think Wilson and Ducasse will start for this team sooner or later but they have been a disappointment in relative terms.
Ducasse was only a disappointment if you had stupid expectations for him. He had never played guard before and Slauson was brought in to play guard, had a year in the system, and more experience than that with Callahan. The 'competition' was a bit of a farce. Not many 1st year players switching positions were going to win that battle. Talk to me about Ducasse when he takes over at RT. Besides, Slauson improved steadily through the season and was very good in certain aspects of his game. Wilson was a slight disappointment, sure, but Coleman also grew by leaps and bounds. So, for each downside you list, there was an attendant upside.
the only team that should even consider pulling a "ditka" is a team that believes they have everything in place to make a run at a championship, but are missing the one key aspect, aka a QB. So therefore the only team this year, that should even consider doing so, is the Vikings. Everybody else would be idiots for giving up their entire draft for one player. If the jets did it, I would want them to move up for one of these guys, Peterson, Dareus, Quinn or Cameron Jordan.
I agree with you, wasn't really trying to be difficult. I believe that Ducasse will assume the starting role at RT, if Wayne Hunter hasn't assumed the role by September. Me being underwhelmed had more to do with our first 2 picks having little if any impact last season. I guess this was to be expected with Ducasse being more of a project pick than anything else considering his raw talent but any Jet fan would be lying if they didn't say Wilson has underperformed to expectations.
#30 --> 620pts #94 --> 124pts #125 --> 47pts #158 --> 29.2pts #189 --> 16.8pts #197 --> 13.6pts Total points: 850.6 points As far as the value chart is concerned, packaging all of our 2011 draft picks would get us up to the 20th pick. If we added our 2012 1st-rounder, and valued it the 15th pick of the 2nd round (based on the "drop the pick one round if it's in the next year" general rule of thumb), then 850 + 430 = 1280. That would be value between the 10th or 11th pick. I certainly wouldn't give all that up to move to #20, and I wouldn't want to drop next year's picks either.
I always understood that you drop the pick to the value of the last pick in the round, not one FULL round. But anyway, Tanny has said he likes to clear his book every year.
No, the trade was a huge mistake the first time and would be even worse in a year where we have had no Freee agencey so far. We may trade picks, but not going all in on one guy.
That might be right; I'm not sure. Even so, that would mean that we still have to give up 6 picks this year + our best pick next year in order to get into the top 10.
I dont think it's quite that steep. This year's first and next year's first could get us to #12 (Quinn) or this year's first and next year's first for Jax's first and third (Aldon Smith and... dunno) or even this year's first, next year's first, and this year's third for Jax's first and second (Aldon Smith and, say, Kenrick Ellis). I find value in the last two options. I just wish we could trade players, cough, Calvin Pace or Bryan Thomas, cough.
No, you drop it a full round. Green Bay's 2012 1st rounder isn't worth the same value as their 2011 1st rounder. It's worth a 2011 mid-late 2nd. Of course, it all depends on the teams trading. Jimmy's Chart is used as a guideline for beginning negotiations, not a rule.
but that makes no sense. Why would you drop it a full round? If I'm giving you next year's first, you know it's going to be somewhere between picks 1 and 32. It would make sense for you to say, fine, I'll take your first, but since it could be as low as #32, I'm going to value it as #32. It makes no sense to value it at #43
It is done that way because you receive no immediate returns on the trade. Since teams need to improve themselves now, trading out of the first altogether for a first next year is doing nothing to help you now. It helps long term, but it doesnt do you any good immediately. Since it's a win now league, short term comes first, and long term comes second. Since next years selections can't help you now, they are devalued in how much they are worth at this year's draft. This is why you see teams, idiot teams, trading into the second round of the draft who have to give up next years #1 to do it.
I wouldnt mind trading this year first and next years (assuming its around 24-32) for aldon smith and kenrick ellis...but trading all of our picks seems a bit foolish considering theres no free agency- what is we dont sign cro and holmes and edwards, then there are positions that need to be filled by draft picks, later rounds of course, plus injuries are a concern and then our lack of depth would be a huge problem
