The meetings with certain players that the Jets have made and ideas that have been thrown around the board really inspired me to see what others thought of certain players at #30 and #94 that are not commonly talked about but still would be interesting. Similar to last year we all wanted to go DE and OLB but had the concept of value in mind. And in the end we ended up drafting a CB. I think if no value at DE or OLB is there we draft a player not to ordinarily talked about. Here's who Im thinking of and we'll see what you all think. 1st Round: Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pitt I'm never usually the advocate of drafting a WR early but with the possibility of one of Edwards or Holmes leaving a WR becomes another instant need and we all know Sanchez needs targets. Baldwin is a HUGE 6'4 receiver with great speed and solid hands, a future big time deep threat. Although I dont think its likely to draft him , if we signed Holmes (a speedy WR) a bigger WR to replace Edwards would be solid. Gabe Carimi, RT, Wisconsin Again Id rather draft a Offensive Tackle later on in the draft but if a talent like Carimi is there, which could be a possibility with the rise of Sherrod and Guards and Centers coming at a premium (meaning teams will address Tackle later and Guard earlier), Id take him at in a heartbeat. We do have somewhat of a whole at RT and to be honest Id rather put Vlad at RG and groom him for when Moore gets cut or retires. Protecting Sanchez is essential and if we want to win a Superbowl our QB needs time and our run game needs to get on another level. Carimi has great pass and run blocking skills and could start from day one as well as send our OLine to the top of the NFL. Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado Now this is a in between one, I think Wilson could start in the future but our secondary was flawless with Cro covering #2's and I believe Smith could be a mirror image of Cro with alot better man to man skills. He's an asshole and overly confident but hey who isnt on this team at times? Id have mixed emotions with this pick but a CB trio of Revis, Smith, and Wilson is just scary good. I think he'll be there at 30 as well. Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA The more talked about player from this board on this list and rightly so. Safety is not necessarily the position you look at in the first with bigger needs but having Moore one a pressure filled defense like ours is a match made in heaven. This kid has crazyyy good ball skills and really knows how to stop the run, blitz, and make a play when needed. He is the clear and consensus top rated Safety in this draft and would really help us verses those big time QB's that threat our chances to get to a SB. Honorable out of the ordinary mentions: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami Nate Solder, RT, Colorado Danny Watkins, Guard, Baylor Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami 3rd Round: Marcus Gilbert, RT, Florida With the likely hood we go OLB in the first and the amount of talent that may be taken away from us by the late 3rd at DE another position Id like to go is RT. Like I said before, Vlad IMO=RG and Hunter isnt cutting it for me. Gilbert is another tackle favorite of mine that has a good chance to be there at #94 and can start possibly this year with the more likely hood of being Hunters replacement next year. Marcus is a consistent run blocker who can hold his own against strong/physical pass rushers and can take out any player in the run. He opens holes left and right and really creates a strong point for our run game. Im not 100% he's here at 30 but you never know. Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy A speedy WR who (in this scenario) would replace Holmes if we signed Edwards instead. Jernigan is a great route runner with solid hands and would be a great fit in the slot and allow Cotchery to go back to his #2 spot where IMO I think he was a bit more comfortable. His size concerns me and I think he falls a bit because of it but he is a great WR, great kid, and could be there in the late third. Shane Vereen, RB, California I can already here it now , we have "LT, Greene, and McKnight!!" And yes I know that. But LT is not going to be on this team next season. Greene is a great RB but is more of a bruiser and I want to keep him healthy. McKnight I always have had mixed emotions with, I think he could be good in the future but if Vereens there at #94 I really dont care about Joes potential. Shane is a speedy back with POWER, he lead all RB's with 31 reps at the combine, run a 4.49-4.50 40 and can receive very well. I think a duo of Grenne and Vereen is the perfect 1 2 punch and really gives our RB comity some new life. Many fans would be mixed on this pick but this kid could have a real good impact for a 3rd rounder. He could be there and he could not but its not out of the question IMO. Quinton Carter, Safey, Oklahoma We obviously need a safety but like I said the consensus is OLB then DE so Safety gets pushed aside till later on. I think if Carter is there at #94 he is another solid pick for the Jets. He has been talked about on this board to some extent but I think as a 3rd round prospect he provides great value and becomes the next Jets FS. Now his inconsistency is what really kills me but I think he could be taught well under Rex. He is a great great tackler and can make the tough INT. His one skill that really entices me to pick him is his ability to cover the slot WR and TE when needed, with time he will stop the over the middle passes and stop the TE's that kill us every time, both one of the Jets few Achilles heels. Honorable out of the ordinary mentions: Chris Hairston, RT, Clemson Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana Tyler Sash, Safety, Iowa DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma Now with most of these picks I do anticipate some controversy and questioning but rightly so, they are not the popular pick but can be deemed as acceptable. Lets see what you all think and in advanced thanks for the feedback.
I want the first 3 picks to be Defense : DE/LB/S in whatever order Tanny sees fit. If the Jets take a WR/RB/OL early it better be far and away the BPA. I'm talking Julio Jones falling to 30 or Castanzo to round 3. The Jets don't need any more god damn running backs. We had a hard enough time getting Greene on the field last year.
^ I would add in Austin Pettis WR Boise State to the list of potential 3rd round out of the box guys. He would be a perfect fit here in NY and would be great for Sanchez. That said, if we don't lose a WR, he goes out the window, with all the other WRs As far as the premise of the thread I am a fan. We as fans of the draft, and specifically the Jets, need to start thinking outside the box. The more I stare at the teams, the needs and the players, the more I can see us being left without a "desireable" choice at 30. Meaning that a trade down will be unlikely (unless the love for a specific QB causes a fervor to jump back into late round 1 (Ponder?)) so we will be forced to make an out of the box choice...
I made this thread so we could all think outside of the consensus for a second. Im not saying we NEED these players but its always a good idea to broaden your draft outlook a bit. And I don't have an obsession with RBs but Im a big believer in RB comity's and LT is only going to be here for this year and I dont think McKnight can really be a solid #2 back. And I want to keep Greene here for a long time and dont want him to get injuried with the heavy amount of carries we want to dish out. I think a Greene and speedy but strong RB is a great Idea for the future.
I like Pettis for sure and he's a good option , didnt leave em out on purpose, just like Tandon a bit better. And thanks for the compliments on the thread, hard stuff and really want to get this "out of the box" stuff talked about.
I understand the point of the thread but it doesn't really open the gates for picks the Jets don't need. This is a weak RB class, I definitely don't want a 1/3/4 pick wasted on one when he won't see the field for a couple years at best. Besides, the Jets can always scoop up a guy in free agency or UDFA. I like McKnight and I think he will be a nice change of pace to Greene if he pans out the way I expect him to. LT is probably good for one more year, if that. Maybe Connor takes some snaps as well, who knows. There is no pressing need for a RB though, especially not this year. Most teams would kill for our stable of RBs and OL.
...doubt we'd go after a right tackle that early, but if Carimi fell that far, he'd probably be the best available player. I feel like the coaching staff has faith in Vladimir Ducasse. If something like this went down, it would obviously show us that they feel Vlad isn't good enough to start. In my opinion, we'll draft an offensive lineman in the later rounds. It'll probably be a developmental guard. If we lose a wideout, Dustin Keller will have to step up. Drafting an all-purpose tight end in the third or fourth round wouldn't be a bad move. It's kind of frustrating that the tight end class is so weak. We could really use a solid #2 at the position.
I put him there because he has somewhat of a chance to be at 30, not the "highest" chance but him at RT would be the best value at 30 if lower grade players are left. Im not a fan of drafting a Tackle or even Guard at 30 but great value is hard to pass up on. As do I, I think everyone likes Vlad but Id like to keep him at RG instead and maybe get another year in him. I think he'd benefit from that in the long run. I agree I think we'd go that way to, a guy like Zach Hurd is a prospect I like in the later rounds. Just suggested a BPA scenario for Tackle or Guard in this thread. I wanted to put a TE in there somewhere but after DJ Williams, Rudolph, Kendricks, and Stocker there is a big drop off of value and i dont think any of the 4 get to the late 3rd.
This, I do not like the idea of drafting an offensive lineman early. Unless their is no one available. I am not opposed to Rahim Moore, I know some people have compared Moore to Rhodes as far as toughness, which I disagree with. I cant disagree with any of the third round picks outside of Shane Vereen. As talented as I think Vereen is if we are going to draft a back it ought to be in round 6 or latter
It would be a strech for Moore and every other prospect we like NOT to be there but I like RT at that spot only if its a solid solid prospect like Carimi would is a RT starter from day one and makes our line #1 IMO. I love Vereen as a prospect, he is going to stun people who doubt him. Im not saying we need a RB but if he's there in the 3rd its honestly not a bad pick by any stretch. Also, think if we dont pick a RB with value early (1/3/4) we wont draft one at all.
In the 1st round I wouldnt be suicidal with any of those picks assuming we dont see a DE or OLB we like (thoguh that does seem unlikely at this stage) and we cant get value for a trade down, though the WR pick would be the least attractive option. As is mentioned in another thread rex is a big fan of the BPA view and we are not so stacked at any position (aside may be RB where its not too difficult to get a quality player late or as a UDFA) that we could not use another good player.
It would be a bad pick because we absolutely have no use for an early round back, and because the value at the position is tremendous the deeper the draft goes. They could find a back in the 6th or 7th round, if they were that desperate to take one, that could probably fit the needs of the team for the next couple years just as well as Vereen in the 3rd could (when he'll probably be gone to be honest). As far as the OT argument goes, this is definitely one of the positions where the Jets are hurt by the lack of FA before the draft. If they could have pulled a vet tackle out of FA then they could have ignored the position in the draft, however now they need to keep it at least in the back of their mind. I'd rather grab a guard, because, from an outsider's perspective, Ducasse's highest potential is certainly at tackle, but who knows what the Jets think. I repeat though that adding a lineman early becomes a lot more feasible if there's a trade out of the first.
I tend to agree but if value is there at RB I wouldnt mind giving it a shot. Im not saying we need one this season, I think there are 7 positions Id pick over a RB. Im not sure what RT vet is out there in Free agency but I do agree a guy who can hold his place maybe even better then hunter for a few seasons until Vlad is ultimately ready, Im still weary about throwing him into the fire.
