ESPN s #30 picks

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  1. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    I don't want anything to do with the first round, unless we are trading up. I hope we trade back, but I would be ok with trading up for someone that we really like. I don't like the prospects that will likely be there when we pick.
     
  2. joeklecko

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    I totally agree. IMO that is about the worst possible move they could make, and I'm not even talking so much about Moore's abilities or lack thereof. I'm speaking purely from the vantage point of value and looking at what the Jets' biggest needs are.
     
  3. joeklecko

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    Trading up???? You have to be joking!!! With what? 3-4 player drafts aren't enough, now you want a one player draft (because it would probably take the rest of the Jets' draft picks to move up anywhere). The Jets aren't just one player away. Not only do they need an upgrade at OLB, but also at DE, S, possibly another CB, and they have depth concerns.

    How can you possibly justify trading up yet again???
     
  4. JetsUK

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    Sadly you just know some dimwit team is going to give the patriots their third rounder and next year's 1st rounder to take Ponder or someone at #28 :(
     
  5. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Mallet/Ponder are the two that someone is going to want to jump in front of everyone for.

    I hope the Jets are considered for a trade partner as well.

    But NE's #33 pick would be cheaper and you're still ahead of all the QB needy teams.

    Fucking Belichick
     
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  6. Coach K

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    when Ponder wasnt handcuffed by the twilight regime of Bobby he was battling injuries for playing tough or watching his recievers drop easy catches. mobile and nice on the short to intermediate routes.


    Ponder is definitely a nasty QB and has the potential to develop into an excellent backup or maybe even turn some heads if given the supporting cast.

    i like him and wish him the best.
     
  7. joeklecko

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    Too many people here don't give the kid his due. I'd love to add him as Sanchez' backup.
     
  8. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Rex is good friends with John Fox and Denver has 2 second round picks. I would trade out. I want nothing to do with Reed and Moore. We need a pass rusher and there will be quality guys there in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
     
  9. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    Dude.. We are not that bad off at all. You are acting like we have so many needs for this team right now, we don't. We are in great position still, and our team is rolling in the right direction. Did we have any major contribution from our Rookie class last year? How far did we get anyway?

    We still have F/A after the draft, you realize that, right?

    If we traded up, it would be for a guy that be worth trading up for. Even if we missed with our trade up, we would still be in good shape.

    The FO knows what their doing, they have a better track record trading up, then staying put. Ok, that's an assumption, but it seems that way to me.
     
  10. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    No, I'm not acting like we have so many needs, but we do have definite documented needs. Even if we had zero needs, one player drafts are idiotic and will bite you in the ass. The Jets already have depth issues because of so many 3 and 4-player drafts. Sorry you can't see that.

    I believe that will wind up being the Jets' downfall and prevent Rex from ever winning a SB with the Jets. Tanny trades up too often and the Jets have to settle for UFAs or lesser backups or overpay for older vets to serve as depth. We have been very lucky as far as injuries go. If the Jets had had the injuries the Packers had last year, the Jets would have been lucky to win 8 games. Too many of you guys are so in love with Tanny that you can't even see that. No GM in his right mind continually has 3-4 players drafts and thinks it's ok.

    No, the rookie class didn't contribute much last year. Again, that goes on Tanny and it was stupid. There the team had a stated goal of making it back to the AFC Championship Game then winning the SB. They got practically zip last season from their draft class. Of course, you don't draft them for just one season, but there were other guys just as good or better than the mooks they drafted that hte Jets could have drafted instead, and they contributed on other teams last season. You don't use 2nd round picks for projects. The Jets had some definite needs in last year's draft and if Tanny had done a better job, and gotten players that could have contributed last season, we might be holding the Lombardi Trophy right now. He's basically ignored the two most important position positions in the 3-4 alignment, OLB and NT since he has been GM. He's the best GM the Jets have ever had, but that's not saying much. He's gotten some very good players, but paid dearly for each and every one of them. He hasn't gotten much value with his draft picks and has yet to ferret out any talent in the lower rounds.

    Yes we still have FA after the draft, but have you been paying attention? The Jets have a LOT of FAs and not a lot of money or cap space to try to sign them. Don't look for any big splashes in FA. The Jets will be lucky to re-sign both Holmes and Edwards, much less all of their other guys (or at least the ones they want to re-sign).

    We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, because you nor anyone else will ever convince me that Tanny is a great GM. He's been pretty good, but imo that's it.
     
  11. JetsUK

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    My mate is a big niners fan and he is hoping they trade back into the end of the first to take Ponder.
     
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    i like Brooks Reed, because he is white, and has long blonde hair.
     
  14. IIMeanDeanII

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    We've been to the AFC Championship two years in a row, with Rex and Tanny. I think they know a little bit more then we do on the topic, so forgive me for trusting in something that has been a proven winning formula.

    Revis, Keller, Harris...

    Those guys were all people we traded up to get... How are those players not worth it?

    You want to talk about depth? Ummm.. Pouha, Devito? They were depth players who stepped in and surpassed expectations. I'm confident they know how to get the best our of our depth players..

    What position is super thin? Honestly, I can't think of one.
     
  15. joeklecko

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    Have they won the AFC Championship game yet and even made it to the SB, much less won it? I didn't think so. That's the thing with Tanny's approach...it can be good enough to get you close, but not good enough to win it all.

    Yes, Revis, Keller and Harris have been very good, but in each case, he paid a big price to draft the player, so he'd better have been right. Using multiple picks can bite you, because it robs you of depth and other potential starters/upgrades. We may get lucky and it wind up not preventing us from winning it all, but I'd rather not take the chance. Other good GMs get that caliber of player without having to trade up. You don't see it either because you're so ecstatic that the Jets are finally good that you are ignoring the details (understandable since they've had such a sorry history) or just don't want to see it.

    Tanny reached big time for Pouha. He was a projected 5th rounder and Tanny took him in the 3rd. Devito was a UDFA.

    "Superthin" is your word, not mine. Still, how would the D look with either Martin Tevaseau, Lance Laury, Jamal Westerman, or Josh Mauga starting a significant part of the season? How about Drew Coleman or Robert Turner? Vlad Ducasse last season? How about when Jimmy Leonard went out with an injury just prior to the 2nd Pats game???? How well did the S depth do, and now even most of those guys may not be back.

    All you young kids who see nothing wrong with all the tradeups are showing your ignorance.
     
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  16. JetsUK

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    This was quite interesting http://www.businessinsider.com/char...ning-nfl-playoff-teams-depend-on-draft-2011-1

    "If we look at the four teams that are still alive on the road to the Super Bowl [2010] we see that 49.5% of the 212 active players were acquired by the relevant team through the draft. Of the remaining players, 27.8% were never drafted, and 22.6% were drafted by other teams and acquired through trade or free agency.

    The Steelers are the most home-grown team, with 57% of their players acquired through the draft. The Jets have the fewest active players that came via the draft (36%).

    If we look at the scrap-heap players, we see that the Jets have the most players that were never drafted (36%) and the Bears have the fewest number of players that never heard their name called on draft day (17%)."

    Though I think that at the end of the day all you can tell from this is that there is no one recipe for success.
     
  17. joeklecko

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    Interesting article. Thanks for sharing it.

    If the Jets can win a Superbowl or maintain this high level of success over the next 5-10 years, then I think we can say that this can be another recipe for success. The Steelers have been consistently good and successful. So have the Colts under Bill Polian. So has NE both with Pioli and afterwards. So have the Packers under Ted Thompson. The Bears have had mixed success. They've had a great D and STs, but their QB and OL have been mediocre, or they would have won more. It has yet to be seen whether Tanny's approach will work long-term, or is rather a short-term fix that will eventually wind up biting them in the ass.
     
  18. mystikol

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    It makes sense. The Jets FO knows who they like, and they get those guys. So, they make trades to get the guy they want the most, instead of seeing who falls to them and then choosing the best remaining option.
    And they do a good job with other pickups, as well, because they scout well.
    Of course, those figures don't wait starters or productivity, which are what ultimately count.
     
  19. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Tanny didn't draft pouha, bradway did.

    Sent from ... FU KOZ
     
  20. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    The entire team was unprepared when Jimmy went down 2 days before the game. They were emotionally shot from the news as well. He is a big part of that locker room.

    The trade ups are a double edged sword, but we've clearly seen the depth come through more than once last season.

    The OL depth was fantastic last season. The DE depth, although with no impact player, did well. The LB depth and TE depth are the two places that need help. Shit, the CB depth was the biggest concern at the beginning of the season and they were fine.

    The FO does a good job finding FAs and UDFAs to fill holes. When the formula fails big time, I think they'll change their approach.
     

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