It's clear that OLB, DL, and S are probably our 3 biggest needs this year. Is there any way we can get 3 starters, or heavy rotational players in this draft without relying on a late round miracle? The question that I have is, what players pegged as 3-4th rounders fit into our system, and can contribute in their first year? I don't spend much time on guys outside of maybe the top 50, so I don't know the 3rd,4th, 5th round guys that well. I don't know of ANY other Safetys who can come right in and start other than Moore. I know a few DL guys who can maybe work into the Rotation-- Kenrick Ellis, and Sione Fua. OLB, maybe Acho or Mooch will be around in the third. Maybe some of you guys have a better idea of who else will be there. Side note: I think we will have about 5-7 guys available at 30 that will be worthy of the pick. If we trade back maybe 10 spots, a few of those guys will probably still be available. I think that's the best thing for us-- trade back a few spots and maybe move up in the later rounds.
akeem ayers ran a 4.68 and a 4.71 which is more impressive than his combine numbers, obviously...food for thought. I think one or two of ayers, reed, or houston will be there for pick 30 and OLB is a glaring need. If we trade back i dont think they will be there. I think there are some other good safeties that arent very far behind moore- i like deunta williams in the 3rd who will drop because of injury. If we make smart picks at positions of need, we could end up with 2-3 starters. Bottom line is we need production from our picks unlike last year.
Yes, if we drafted the following they would all be starters One of: 1st Round: Brooks Reed, Akeem Ayers, Justin Houston, Mo. Wilkerson, Rahim Moore (The best draftee's with the most possibility) 3rd Round: Deunta Williams, Quinton Carter, Tyler Sash, Jarvis Jenkins, Kenrick Ellis, Dontay Moch 4th Round: Eric Hagg, Lawrence Guy, Sione Fua, Joe Lefeged, Jaiquawn Jarret A combination of any of these guys ( OLB, DE, S) should be starters.
I wish we had another 3rd or 4th rounder because i really like Jaiquawn Jarret. I know he is listed as a free safety but i think he could play SS and be amazing- he is a vicious tackler and could develop under jim and start next year while still rotating in this year.
I don't think a 3rd or 4th rounder can contribute more than the safeties we have now... at least not in his first year. I also hope we don't trade back... I think we can get a very good OLB at #30... only if that doesn't happen I'd be ok with trading back.
sometimes you have to give to get. If the OLB's are gone who are teams looking to trade up for? Cam heyward? Phil Taylor? Rahim Moore? I doubt it... I don't think the gap between guys like Ayers and Martez Wilson (when comparing to Sheard and Acho) is really that big that we shouldnt trade back and acquire some extra picks and still get a Sheard or Acho.
Yeah man they have a boat load of studs: Robert Quinn, Bruce Carter, Greg Little, Marvin Austin, Kendric Burney, Deunta Williams, Johnny White, Quan Sturdivant, TJ Yates, and Zach Pianalto All should be drafted and are going to be great prospects.
You think Moch can be a starter right away? I was under the impression he is an absolute physical freak of nature, with almost zero football intelligence/instincts. Which would suggest to me that he at best needs plenty of time to learn before he can become a starter.
Very much so, I honestly dont think he could be there at the late third rounder though. Moch under Ryan could be incredible, I think he needs maybe 5-10 more pounds but our disciplined defensive minds can make Moch more intelligent and raise his level of awareness on the field with demands of tape watching and some overtime work, sort of like a "first one to get there last one" to leave type player, now Im not saying its a guarantee he will start because he is a bit of a project and has limited pass rushing moves but under Rex I think its a possibility.
There are so many things I don't agree with in this thread (not just this post) it would take to long to list them... just wanted to say my opinion before I GTFO
IMO, Moch will NEVER be a starter, just a situational player. This isn't Baseball!!!! Starter in the NFL doesn't mean too much unless you're a QB, O-Lineman and maybe CB. Most positions in Rex's defense are interchangable. I doubt any player we draft will be a Day One starter, but will contribute and shuttle in and out.
I was interpreting what he ment by starter was a player with a large amount of plays in a game, like a majority of downs type of defensive player. ( hope that made sense)
I agree , besides QB ,maybe Punter, and kicker everyone is rotational and never on the field 100% of the time.
TJ Yates is NOT a great prospect. In fact, I think he's pretty bad. I wouldn't want him on the Jets. I've seen him play live several times. He sux. I wouldn't classify Burney, Little or Pianalto as great prospects, either, but they are certainly better than Yates.
well I still disagree with this definition of a day 1 starter. I agree Moch would be intriguing to have with Rex as a big a genius as he is. But I just don't see Moch contributing much anywhere his rookie season (if ever) with his lack of football IQ. If he can't diagnose anything, he can't be on the field in anything but 3rd and 15+ and then is told go get the QB. Which to me is not exactly going to be the majority of plays. I would expect Moch's rookie season, wherever he goes to be very similar to that of Ducasse and Mcknight were for us this year. "first one to arrive, last to leave type player" is something that would be obviously apparent in his college preparation habits. Since he has next to no instincts on the field he clearly doesn't spend any time in the film room in college, you expect that right after being drafted he is going to do a 180 and live in the film room and become a big time student of the game? I seriously, seriously doubt it. As to his ability to develop beyond his rookie season, I defer to the minds who are a hell of a lot better at this than I am.
I think the Jets' best chance of getting 3 players who contribute in any kind of significant fashion is to take an OLB in Rd. 1 (Reed, Houston or Wilson), a DL in Rd. 3 and a S in Rd. 4. I like Deunta Williams a lot, but I think the Jets would be better served grabbing a DL like Kenrick Ellis, Sione Fua, Jarvis Jenkins, Lawrence Guy, or Pernell McPhee in the 3rd round, and then a S like Jaiquawn Jarrett or the FS from Clemson (whose name escapes me at the moment) in the 4th. IMO what the Jets need on D as much as anything is upgrading the team speed. The Jets have too many older, slower players even though they're good. Guys like Reed, Wilson, Houston could wind up making as big an impact vs the run as the pass due to their speed.
As for the whole starter thing-- I mentioned Starters, or contributers. I feel like we have enough contributers at S, and need a legit starter. OLB, we have 2 decent guys in Pace and Cactus- we need someone who can be a legit pass rushing threat- even if it's 15-20 plays a game in year one. DL, same thing. Get me a guy who's good enough to play in year one, and let him battle for more reps down the line. The more I think about it, I feel like Safety is our biggest hole. We just don't have much talent on our roster at that spot-- it's a bunch of Jags. However, pass rush is so much more important for our success. Can we get our 2nd round pick back please?
Ayers looked like a 4.6 guy- not 4.8. That's good to see. Look at Ayers tape, then check out Beals. Beal looks like he's in slow motion. Ayers seems like he's going to be a great OLB in a 3-4. He can already cover, which is more than most of these guys. I just don't know if his lack of sacks is due more to scheme, or if he's just not a great pass rusher.
