I really hate jumping on the bandwaggon for people whove had questionable character but this guy plays violent. at this stage of the game its one thing to HAVE a big body. but this guy uses it to his full advantage. the best thing ive noticed in the footage ive watched of him is how he uses his hands to gain separation making full use of the explosion he has for his size. with other needs at OLB, DE and even S people might dismiss the pick. but also imagine a 4 man front including Pouha and Taylor. not to mention having someone spell pouha at NT who would probably be better than pouha within a year or 2 at the most. rex can get all the DB's he wants but nobody can cover forever and we saw it on 3rd down last yr. then again the quality of DE/OLB tweeners around the same spot is high. all im saying is theres an x-factor to this kid and he plays the position the way I think it should be played. heres a scouting report for those who are curious Pass rush: Though his job is usually not to provide primary pass rush, he can push the pocket with strength and flashes quickness off the snap and a swim move to get past lesser centers. Gives good effort to reach the quarterback if he sits in the pocket too long. Tries violent hands to shed blocks. Not very effective on inside twists, though he can take out the left tackle when twisting outside to free up the defensive end. Once stood up by initial contact, it's tough for him to re-start his rush. Run defense: Shows excellent strength and mobility as a run defender. Plays with leverage against double-teams and keeps his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage. Pushes back his man and spins off single and tandem blocks with balance to make the play. Moves down the line well, stays low despite his height to wrap up shorter backs. Willing and able to reach the sideline, takes deep angles to prevent huge runs. Defeats cut blocks and maintains balance to track down ballcarriers. Gets low in short-yardage and goal-line situations. Does not dominate smaller centers. At his best when used in a rotation. Explosion: Explodes from four-point stance into blockers, consistently getting push up front. Gets off low and quick near goal line to set the line backwards. Despite his size, flashes the quickness to penetrate the "A" gap. Requires double-teams to keep him out of the backfield. Strength: Huge frame and upper-body development give him the strength to be a 3-4 nose tackle at the next level. Moves offensive linemen to either side with relative ease when covering two gaps. Forces fumbles with one hand punching at the ball while ballcarrier comes through the hole. Uses leverage to hold the line against double teams. Tackling: Running backs get swallowed up when crossing his path, and he can separate the ball from a ballcarrier with pure strength. Stays low despite his height and will capture backs from behind if they have not yet hit their stride. Chase and hustle are impressive for his size, will chase backs down the line, help linebackers make stops at the second level, and takes deep angles to chase down running backs 20 yards down the sideline. Intangibles: Sprained his knee in 2007 preseason at Penn State, losing starting job to future first-round pick Jared Odrick. Charged with felony aggravated assault during a fraternity function at a Penn State student union in October 2007; the charge was eventually dropped. Really turned up his game the second half of 2010; scouts could see that as maturity or wonder if he can maintain that level of play.
Sounds stupid but... whoever we pick on the DL I'm confident he'll be good since Rex is involved in the drafting process. ATM there are some prospects I prefer to Taylor (Wilkerson and god knows what OLBs will be left at that point) but if the Jets choose him they must have a reason. I love living the draft stress-free
I wouldn't be upset, but I have a feeling Rex can get production out of anyone on the DL, but I think his scheme requires versatile, smart players on the backend who can both cover and tackle and those are tough to come by. He's said repeatedly: give me a corner over a lineman. and so I think we should expect, in general, to see us draft backfield players before grunts early in a draft.
I don't think there's anyone that would say they wouldn't want Taylor on the Jets, but it comes down to there being other prospects in the first round that are better fits/fufil bigger needs. Taylor in the 3rd round? Absolutely. Taylor in the first when guys like Wilkerson, Ayers, Wilson, Sheard, etc are available? Not so much.
For Taylor to be in the 3rd round he'd probably have to rape Goodell's mom... I agree on the fact it's very likely some better prospect will be available.
Its not crazy to want him. I like him more than the DEs than we would get at that spot (Watt & Jordan excluded, I am not too high on the other DEs for some reason). However, I would rather the Jets go OLB in that spot. I even like Rahim Moore more than Taylor too.
I think that's where Rex may not be too smart. Yes, jags and grunts can become effective DL players, but they put more pressure on the LBers and secondary due to their limitations. I believe that Rex's schemes would be so much more effective with at least 2 studs on the DL. There's a reason that so many say that games are won and lost in the trenches.
well thats why in the post i mentioned there will be TONS of tweeners OLB/DE types on the board when we pick. something not discussed enough though is Ellis is aging, Devito is servicable (better at DE), were counting on Pitouitua to step in off a torn achilles, and then if Pouha goes down. Then what? all im saying is I think Taylor has an "it" factor and plays nasty when alot of these guys are athletes. hes the athlete and the player. Taylor in the 3rd round? taylor will go in the late 1st early 2nd at the latest. more likely the early 2nd but if he lasted till the 3rd my head would explode
i dont really like taylor, especially in the first. He got held up on blocks and didnt play hard every play- his body is the only reason teams are interested in hime this high. i would much rather an OLB like Ayers, Reed (who i really like) or sheard.
You can't draft based on the fear a player may get hurt (unless that player has a significant injury history, which Sione does not) Other wise I can make this argument, we should trade up to #1 so we can draft Cam Newton, because what if Sanchez goes down? Then we really are fucked. I still don't think Taylor is an elite prospect, and I personally think that Powe will be the better pro NT. We are going to get our faller, just like we did last year. I can't tell you who it will be, but somebody of value will be there for us at 30, there just isnt a reason to reach for a player, at a position where we are solid with a great starter in Sione.
I like how he moves laterally and keeps his eye on the ball. I don't think he is elite I would rather see him get picked up in a later round. There is a premium for NT in the league though so who knows where he will really end up.
I agree with this. The front end of this draft is loaded with 3-4 defensive guys and in my mind if someone drops, there's a good chance that it could be someone that we covet. Side note: Has anyone else noticed that Cameron Jordan's stock is essentially going in the same path as Kyle Wilson's last year? I think that there's definitely a possibility that he will be the guy to fall. This applies to both Wilson & Jordan: Both were rated going into the offseason as a mid-late first rounder. Both impressed majorly at the senior bowl, leading many mocks to place them in the early-mid first round range, seemingly out of the Jets' reach. Both continued to impress at the combine and in post-combine workouts to "solidify" their status as a top 20 pick. We all know the story of what happened with Wilson at the Draft. With a pretty large amount of potential 3-4 DEs slotted to go in the first this year, I could see Jordan slide into the late first in a similar manner. Again, I don't think that this is going to happen, but the similarities in their situations are there and I think that it's at least a possibility (albeit a small one). I disagree. I like Taylor and wouldn't mind him as the pick, but I think there's only a small chance that he's gone before our pick (I could really only see KC choosing him in front of us). And also, I'd be more of a fan of picking Taylor if we had a 2nd rounder around the 40th pick. At 30, I think there's more talent to be had at other areas of need (OLB, DE). I'm starting to favor Brooks Reed or Martez Wilson considering who I think will be on the board at that point.
I wouldnt say your crazy, but I dont think he is good enough to warrant a first round selection. With nose tackles you just need to have a decent one in order to run a 3-4 D, sure you can take a Kris Jenkins like but we've seen a Pouha be able to be a nose just fine
I like Taylor but you have to be reasonable about value. Right now there will be better players at a position of greater need. If you trade down to the early second then he should def be in consideration. However, it wouldn't surprise me if the Chiefs take him at 24. They seem to reach for positions of need. It would be a bad mistake considering their hole at LB, but it could benefit us. If they take Taylor, that means one more pass rusher will be available. EDIT: And this is coming from a guy who took Taylor for the Chiefs in the 3 round draft. I regret not taking a better pass rusher in the first. The difference between Taylor and Pua from Stanford is not that great.
I read somewhere that Powe can't read a lick. If true, then he either has a major learning disability or is incredibly dumb, and I would have to fear that he will never be able to learn and adapt. That being the case, I want no part of Powe.
martez wilson if the jets really want a linebacker that fits the mould of coach ryan.then there is no better prospect the martez wilson.if the jets can get him at their spot #30 .then they should grab him.if they have to trade up.then thats the way to go too.
I'd like to see him in green and white but there is 0 chance of him being on the board with our 3rd round pick.
I may sound happy about Taylor having a serious condition, but I hope he can still succeed somewhere. I didnt think he would prior to this news, and knowing about it, would cause me to pull him off my board of round 1 and 2 prospects. I look at him as a purely 3rd round guy now. I hope the jets don't overdraft this guy...
