Mambo9 March mock (with trade of 2012 1st rder)

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Would you trade our 2012 1st rounder for Jabaal Sheard?

  1. Yes - We need an OLB and he is a very good prospect

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  2. No - I don't think Sheard is talented enough and we could get better value in 2012

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  3. No - You should never ever trade away your future 1st rd pick for a guy that falls to rd 2

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  4. Yes - But only if they give me tons of beer...

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  1. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    This mock has one very big trade... our first rounder next year for a second rounder this year. While in principle I agree a team should never do that I feel there are various reasons why it could make sense this time around.

    1. This draft is very deep in 3-4DE and 3-4OLB prospects. considering these are the two main positions we need to address why not do it straight away? I'm willing to bet that the talent level at the top of rd 2 at these positions will be similar to what's available at the bottom of rd 1 next year.

    2. One of the best ways we have of freeing up roster space is by cutting (in case they don't accept to restructure) Ellis and Thomas. Now I'm not saying we should cut them but having the flexibility to do so having some very good prospects in house would be very useful.

    3. Our team is pretty young and assuming some of our question marks work out (Ducasse at RT, Wilson at CB, McKnight at RB, Lowery at FS, Slauson at LG) we really don't have any major holes going forward...

    4. With the talent level we have next year 1st rounder should be pretty low (fingers crosed).

    5. I just wanted to explore this possibility to see how many TGGers would be outraged by it... I'm not saying it's what I would do. But for Sheard I'd think long and hard about it...


    That said... the mock:

    Rd 1. M. Wilkerson / C. Heyward - 34DE - (Temple / Ohio State - 6'4" 315 / 6'5" 295)

    I really love both these guys and I think both will be very good players. ATM I haven't made up my mind on who's the better prospect but I'd be happy with either of them in rd 1.


    Rd 2 (top 15). J. Sheard - 34OLB - (Pittsburgh - 6'3" 264)

    Been discussed a ton on TGG. To synthetize: violent pass rusher with a mean attitude. Can contribute straight away taking Taylor's role and gradually become a starter. I'd love to have a Pace - Thomas - Sheard trio next season, they compliment each other so well...


    Rd 3. S. Wright / A. Pettis - CB / WR - (USC / Boise State - 5'11" 185 / 6'3")

    Kind of hard to choose a CB right now but if Wright checks out medically at the combine and if Sanchez gives Tanny some positive review about his character he might be a good pick if Cromartie leaves.
    BTW if Cro leaves we only have Revis, Wilson, Coleman and Cole as CBs (I project Lowery as a FS).
    On the other hand if Edward leaves I'm hoping Pettis will be there at the bottom of rd 3... unlikely but you never know.


    Rd 4. D. Sanzenbacher - WR - (Ohio State - 5'11" 182)

    God I love this tough sob. I'm hoping him (or Maehl) will be available in rd 4... I'd even be willing to trade our 4th and 5th to move up a little in rd 4 to get him. He'd be perfect going through the middle.


    Rd 5. V. Taua - RB - (Nevada - 5'10" 213)

    Downhill complement to Greene, McKnight and LT. Also a competent pass catcher.


    Rd 6. A. Dent - ILB (Georgia - 6'1" 242)

    Love the kid... great mentality. Can produce on ST straight away and will develop into a solid back-up.


    Rd 7. K. Williams - OL (Nebraska - 6'4" 318)

    Recruited by Callahan at Nebraska, let's see if this pick turns out to be another Slauson... maybe to fill in for Moore at RG in a couple of years.
     
  2. Mr Electric

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    Sweet Josh McDaniels' style trade

    The Broncos, the Raiders, and the Panthers are a few of the teams that pulled off trades like this. Look at those teams now.

    Getting Wilkerson and Sheard back-to-back would be awesome, but it's not worth risking a future first rounder.
     
  3. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    I know... but you'll be the first to admit Sheard looks very very promising as of now...
    In principle it sucks. But imagine if in 2007 a team traded their future 1st rounder to get Woodley or Harris, they wouldn't look so stupid now would they?
    In hindsight if the Jets had done it we would've ended up with Woodley instead of Gholston... I know it's easy to say it would've been the right thing to do AFTER it happened... but what I'm trying to point out is it's not like you're guaranteed you'll strike gold with every 1st rd pick. If there's a player that's high on your draft board, and he's in a position of need, and he falls to rd 2 then why not pull the trigger?

    Anyway I made this mock specifically to have the opinion of guys with way more experience than me on the draft process...
     
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  4. Mr Electric

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    Jabaal Sheard should be our pick if he's there at 30. IF he's there...that's how damn good he was today.

    They would look stupid if their franchise quarterback gets injured and that first rounder ends up being a top ten selection.
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    If the Jets make an early trade, it will probably be a trade back into the second.

    We're in a position where most of our targets could be gone when we finally get on the clock.
     
  6. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    Who do you think has to be gone to justify a trade back as the best option?

    In my mind (and in no particular order): Wilkerson, Heyward, Houston, Sheard, Smith, Kerrigan (one of these OLB has to fall), maybe Wilson (how did he do in the drills today?), maybe Taylor.
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    Cameron Heyward isn't a spectacular player. He's not very versatile either. This team could find a similar player later on - Heyward is very good at doing his job, but that's pretty much all we'd get from him. He's not a game-changer...and you rarely find game-changing 3-4 DEs.

    Wilkerson can play in multiple fronts.

    Houston will be long gone. Wilson had a hell of a day and some team will probably take him around the late teens of the first round. Aldon Smith didn't really hurt himself today. He'll probably be gone.

    Kerrigan and Sheard could be around.
     
  8. CodeGreen

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    I'm going to emphasize something that GH mentions a lot, 3-4 DEs are not very hard to find. Thus if their is a pass rusher available at 30, whether its Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan, Jabal Sheard , Justin Houston or whoever (yes within an appropriate spectrum) we should take them over a 34 end. Though now with Jenkins gone, I would possibly consider Phil Taylor
     
  9. Mr Electric

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    Sione Pouha > Phil Taylor
     
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    If I had to name one of the most overrated players in this draft class..it's Phil Taylor.
     
  11. Mr Electric

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    ...but, he weighs over 330 pounds! He has to be good.
     
  12. IIMeanDeanII

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    Cam Heyward's role in a defense isn't to be a spectacular player or game changer. He is very good at doing his job, as you said, but it takes a special player to be able to maintain the dirty job in the trench and do it very well. He will be a guy that does that, it may not be very visable, but he allows the "game changers" to do just that, make game changing/clutch plays.

    I think he would be a good fit for us if he was to land here, I do not agree that later round DE's have the same skill set as him or a few others that will go late first - early second. Sure, there will be servicable players in later rounds to be had, but we already have servicable. We still need to upgrade Devito and Ellis. Both are only servicable at this point.

    Getting someone that is really good at their job in the trench is exactly what we need, your going to have a very hard time finding a game changing 3-4 DE.

    I don't disagree with you completely, you are right, I just think upgrading our line is huge this offseason. I also disagree that we can find someone of Heywards talents in the later rounds.
     
  13. NDmick

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    It's starting to look that way.

    Brooks Reed in a trade down.

    Houston could be going 28th after his performance today.
     
  14. Vorrecht

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    What if one of those guys busts? This would be even harder to justify than picking Gholston.
     
  15. laxin

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    has anyone warmed up to donte moch...maybe like trading down with the broncos and picking him with their early 3rd? he is a piec of work, but could be pretty damn good, plus he has a high motor
     
  16. NDmick

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    For the last time, Moch is not right for this team.
     
  17. Green Hurricane

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    I've said it every year I've posted here, and I'll say it again now, never ever trade away a future first round pick, under any (of course, realistic) circumstances.
     
  18. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I agree. Future picks should be 2-7. Never the 1st round.
     
  19. joeklecko

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    Interesting.

    IMO there's no way the Jets should draft a WR in the 3rd round unless someone drops and is head and shoulders better than any other player on the Jets board. I'd rather they take another OLB prospect, DL prospect or DB.

    While Sanzenbacher is an excellent prospect, I'm not sure he is a need. The Jets have Cotchery, Keller and maybe Cumberland to go over the middle. Adding an NT like Powe or Kenrick Ellis in the 4th round could have a much bigger impact on the team's play.

    I like adding an ILB and an OL in the last two rounds.
     
  20. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    What's also funny about this is that Sheard is not a can't miss prospect. If he was then he's be going top 15.

    So to use a 1st rounder on him is fucking retarded.
     

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