Agreed, and I actually wanted it to work out with Slauson starting and Vlad at RT, but I would have liked to see more of a challenge.
I normally find myself in agreement with your posts, and I don't necessarily disagree here, except I don't think in and of itself hte fact that he was a second round pick is any assurance he will be starting this coming year.
Excuse me? If Tanny used his first and second round picks on guys who were only going to be depth and never starters, he should be fired immediately. Mid and low round picks are for backups and ST players. First and Second round picks HAVE to be starters.
that's not what I meant. How could you possibly think that's what I meant? Everyone else gets what I mean when I say depth draft.
No, they don't. Look at the positions they were drafted for, CB and RT. They were supposed to come in and take Cromartie or Revis' spot and Damien Woody's spot?
We don't definitively know if Ducasse was picked to be a LG or a RT though. Slauson worked out but the timing of waiving Fanecca (i.e. immediately after drafting Ducasse) suggests they thought there was a pretty good chance Ducasse would be the LG.
How else am I supposed to interpret that? After all, that's what you said. I don't know you well enough to be able to read your mind. I know you didn't write that post for my benefit, but still... What exactly did you mean? I think you exaggerate when you say "everyone else gets what I mean when I say depth draft." just as you did when talking about football players and 3 years. Three years is what most drafted players get to show that they belong in the NFL. If they haven't shown anything within 3 years, they're history. Players who are known projects are a different matter, but many teams don't take on project players, because most teams re-tool on the fly and don't have 4- or 5-year rebuilding plans as they used to. On the whole, patience is NOT a virtue in the NFL any more.
Of course the nickel back is not technically a starting position, but along with third wideout is as close to it as you get coming off the bench, and there was certainly hope expressed last summer that Wilson would be the nickel back. And MG is correct that Vlad was being talked about challenging for LG, not RT.
When Faneca was cut he said the Jets had been grooming his replacement. I have to assume that wasn't the guy they just drafted.
you are the only poster to take "depth draft" literally, when what it means is: Due to the number of incumbent starters on both sides of the ball, the front office has the luxury of drafting players that don't have to start right away and the Jets can get younger at certain positions or reinforce positions that are already strong.
WSW, Don't you recall that when camp opened it was not yet determined that Slauson got that slot? What Faneca said did not mean that there was no competition, btw. In fact in addition to the general notion of getting bench strength and youth for the OL, I thought one of the reasons the Jets were seen as drafting Vlad was potentially to challenge for the RG position.
I didn't say they had to start from day one. The idea is that those players are expected to develop into starters, and sooner rather than later, and not remain career backups. As a first round pick, with a year's experience, the benefit of playing with one of, if not THE best CB in the NFL, and playing for one of the best DB coaches and HCs in the game, Wilson should be capable and ready to start from day one in his second year. He may not because there might be a better CB (Cromartie) ahead of him on the draft chart, but just as many here say the Jets should feel comfortable with letting Woody go and having Vlad start at RT, the Jets should feel comfortable letting Cromartie walk and having Wilson start.
Your first claim may or may not be true, as not every poster on the board has responded to this thread after your post in which you used that phrase. If they all did understand what you meant, it is because they have been here longer and know you well enough to know what you mean. I have seen other posters on other Jets boards talk about "depth drafts" before and they didn't mean what you meant. They were being quite literal. Communication works best when one means what one says, not writes one thing that on the surface means one thing, but in actuality means something quite different.
I don't think it would have been a great idea to just hand Slauson the spot. He obviously had the inside track. OK, I misunderstood your post then.
Bam you just destroyed your entire argument with that one statement. Rodgers saw action in the exact same number of games Vlad did his rookie sesaon. Rodgers didn't play hardly at all either and he showed very little if anything on the field. The only promise Rodgers could have shown was in practice to the coaching staff. Which is the exact area Vlad could have showed his promise, and no fans would have any idea about it. As others stated Slauson had been in an NFL strength program for a year, and had been Callahan's deciple for almost 5 years. Vlad on the other hand had never experienced a zone blocking scheme, he was transitioning from T to G in addition to making the jump in talent and speed from D-II to the NFL. Also Vlad was likely on a D-II strength program, not an NFL one, and probably not one similar to the one D-I athletes are on. The odds were stacked against Vlad and he realistically had no chance if Slauson showed anything at all, which he of course did. By mid-year Slauson had become more than serviceable, he was pretty damn good for us.
Well, other than what happens with Edwards and Holmes, a subject talked many times over more than this one, what happens at RT appears to be the only other area of the O that seems uncertain at this point.
UMass isn't a D-II school, it's D-I sub division or FCS or whatever the fuck they call it these days.
Bam-- No I didn't. I don't know what anyone thought about Aaron Rodgers after his first year, I'm not a Packers fan. I would assume that the guy did pretty well in pre-season, and in camp. He earned the backup spot to a Hall of Famer... which is more than Clemons can say after 5 years. Now, had Aaron Rodgers been a third string QB behind Chris Sims and Kelley Holcolm and then developed into a star, that would maybe be your argument. But even that wouldn't be a good one since we're talking about a QB, and the longest adjustment period in sports.
