in a sense, he's in the same position as kellen clemmens. the market for free agents will set his value. teams like the steelers , who win consistently for decades, will let a guy walk if it means dumping too much of the available cap money into one position.
I am going to get blasted for this but this is the offseason and I am awfully bored... Why not let Santonio and Braylon go and get Plaxico Burress and Santana Moss?
Because we want our QB to develop with weapons that will remain for a while and at the very least one of the two primary weapons he's already built a rapport with.
1) Who knows if they develop any chemistry with Sanchez 2) Plaxico has been in jail the past years... even Vick needed a year to get back into shape and Burress is older (and has always been a POS). 3) a 31 and a 34 yr old aren't exactly long term options... 4) Braylon and Holmes are MUCH better palyer than the 2 guys you mentioned... it's like saying why don't we let Harris go and sign Eric Barton...
Possible, but I don't think so. They have 6 receivers age 28 and younger, 2 of whom are rookies they're looking to develop. I could just as easily see them playing wait and see with a healthy Clayton and Avery and trying to build on Amendola/Alexander/Gilyard/Robinson while they use the draft to fix up their other issues.
Plaxico will be 34 and has been taking it up the pooper for the past couple of years. No thanks. If the Jets DID sign him I could only imagine the bullshit that the media would run with. 'Classless Jets sign ex-felon' 'Sanchez gains new weapon on offense - weapon misfiring results in past prison sentence'
"Classy Giants resign criminal WR, and save his life. A story of a true class act helping a dumb fuck be a better person."
They've been targeting Pitt's Jonathan Baldwin early. Just because they have a lot of young WRs doesn't mean they like all of them. I'm not sold on Gilyard in the NFL.
Even with Josh McDaniels as the OC? He wants to run a spread offense. Guess which system several of those young receivers, Gilyard included, came from? Their receivers are pretty well suited for McDaniels' scheme, and with the uncertainty surrounding when the offseason will truly start, I could see them holding off and keeping Bradford surrounded by receivers he has built a bit of chemistry with before they jump in and discard anyone. Plus, Baldwin is in the exact same mold as Alexander, albeit a better player. I'd imagine Alexander is given a chance in that role after his success in Missouri's...that's right...spread offense.
With other threads discussing how draft picks are at a premium this year due to a potentially probable either lack of or shortened free agency period, wouldnt that signficantly increase the value of Edwards (among our other potential free agents) I mean by losing a guy like Edwards you are pretty much FORCED to replace him in the draft, which is almost like losing a draft pick (which are more valuable more than ever this year) I think this lack of CBA can potentially work out in our favor somewhat, and put pressure on the FO to resign guys like Edwards and Cromartie where in any other year they might of just gone out and signed someone cheaper. I mean its not like these players have too much extra bargaining power, since they wont know where their next paycheck will be coming from in the event of a lockout.
because that would fucking suck balls Old veteran WRs who aren't gamebreakers surrounding Sanchez? Fuck no.
Something one of you mentioned in this thread got me wondering... If the Jets are legitimately trying to keep both receivers, which I really hope they do, for the record... Won't it make more sense to sign Santonio first? Preferably, if/when the new CBA happens, in the window they hopefully give teams to sign their own free agents before they hit the market. Let me know if what I'm saying doesn't make sense... Don't they just need to go ahead and lock Santonio up in a contract (a contract with behavior and incentive clauses that protect the team) and try to avoid letting him strongly test the market, and letting the free agency market set or dictate his price at something crazy, resulting in likely losing Santonio? Won't it just make sense for them to try to give him something fair, yet reasonable and satisfying to both him and the team, right out of the gate, and be done with it. I'm not going to lie, I've been googling his name (Santonio's), all season, and especially since the end of the season, and I've seen a slew of articles/commentaries/tweets with teams named by bloggers, NFL analysts, etc. who proclaim that certain teams would likely love the chance to get their hands on Santonio, in spite of his risks. Teams in the AFC and the NFC. And while I've done the same with Braylon, and while I have seen Braylon's name come up, too, I haven't seen the same barrage for Braylon, not by the analysts, not by the bloggers who claim to have NFL and/or team sources, not by scouts, not even by agents, who seem to also value Braylon's "value", free agency desirability, and what not less than Santonio. And I'm not devaluing Braylon, I think he and Santonio are totally different receivers who are complements to each other, just to be clear. So... Why take that risk? Why even take the chance of the free agency market dictating a price that puts Santonio out of the Jets grasp? It seems like Braylon is the one who could test the free agency market strongly, and still most likely remain a Jet, and also not get some insanely over priced offer, too, right? Not to mention, Braylon's going to likely have his second NFL personal conduct policy violation (only his first substance abuse violation though) hitting right around the time he's going in to this contract, a leverage point that even Rex said point blank would hurt him in free agency. It sort of seems like the risk of losing Braylon, and the risk of him getting some exorbitant offer isn't nearly as high or likely if he's not signed immediately. Just to name a few... Glauber, Breer, Cimini, scouts for teams, etc. etc. have all commented on the Jets wanting to keep both receivers, but, they've all also commented on Santonio potentially moving in to the second priority position (after Harris), due to him being the game changer, the game breaker, the speedy one, the one that can get separation, the one that keeps defenses awake at night, the one that worries opposing teams/coaches, the one that performed like he did and had turf toe and a hip injury at the end of the season... blah, blah, blah. So, that's why I ask? If that's the way Santonio is seen, and the Jets are serious about holding on to both... Shouldn't Tanny do something with Santonio first, while making it clear to Braylon that he's next, and will be taken care of, too? I feel like the risks for losing Santonio are way greater, the longer he's not signed. Especially with the perception the league "seems" to have of the two receivers. Perception often dictates reality. Fair/true or not. Aren't they essentially in a great position to let the market set Braylon's value and match it or come close? At least more so than with Santonio? Or is that thinking nonsensical?
^The Jets have no choice but to let Holmes test the market. A new CBA isn't going to be reached before March 4th, and Holmes can't be resigned prior to that date because his salary last season was too low. He'll hit the market and the Jets will compete for his services. Edwards, on the other hand, can be signed over the next 3 weeks.
Yes, I know which team Gilyard played for in college; the one that kept Pitt out of getting killed by Florida in the BCS. This would be the front office having a lot of faith in a WR corps with Mark Clayton as the highest drafted player. In any case, I was just retelling what I read about Baldwin.
Problem is, Edwards production doesn't tell the entire story. Edwards has far more potential than a 50 catch 900 Yards receiver, as he showed in 2007. He's on a team that runs more often than many other teams, and that will change over the next two years. Edwards can easily have a 1000 yard season in 2011, maybe even as big as 70 catches, 1200 yards, 10+ TDs. Don't be surprised. His upside is huge, just like Santonio. Santonio's talent is even greater, so it remains to be seen who will stay in NY. Edwards true value should be around $8 mil. His off the field issues can reduce that down to as low as $6mil.
the main part you forgot is his superb blocking down field...and all the flags when he blocks from the back.
You don't get paid for potential when you're 28. You get paid for what you've done and the incentives take care of what you could do. I expect to see 6.5M on average with the potential to earn 7 through incentives.
I totally agree with you there. I guess what I wanted to say is that being on a run first team is what easily took away a couple hunred yards. That doesn't mean Braylon can't reach 1k next year. I think he will. Sanchez has come a long way this year and I fully expect him to take that 3rd year QB leap. Sanchez's development, and the run first mentality kept Braylon from having a break out year. Although having Santonio on the other side helped him a lot seeing more one on one coverages. Anyways, I can see Tanny offering a 5 years $25 mil contract with the potential of making extra $5mil with minimum production and possibly as high as $15mil if he plays like he did in 2007. Not saying that is how it will go down, just saying that is the type deal Tanny might offer. Both parties remain happy. Braylon has a chance to make top money while Jets cover their back incase Braylon doesn't produce like a 1k receiver every year.
