Okay, I was wrong for including Vick in the same category as Manning, Rivers, etc. But I'd still take Vick and about 10 other active QBs over Ben any day. Peyton Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Vick, Cassel, Ryan, Tony Homo, and Josh Freeman are all better than him.
He led his team back, the biggest play was the fumble. Just one short year agao the great peyton manning threw away his teams chances in the SB w/ an INT for a TD.
That wouldn't have been necessary if he didn't throw 2 picks in the first half. Pack scored 14 points off those 2 turnovers. He doesn't get any credit for almost digging himself out of a hole he mostly dug himself.
Ben did not play well but he had his team in position to come back. At the biggest moment of the game Peyton threw an INt for a TD a year ago.
Peyton doesn't get a pass but at least it was his defense that was mostly responsible for blowing that lead, then Peyton made his only mistake of the game in a critical situation. Chokelisberger threw 2 picks and was the direct cause of the Steelers being down 21-3. Then he choked again on 4th and 5 at the end of the game. I think there's a bit of a difference between their 2 situations.
Yeah he lead his team back against a team once their best defensive player was knocked out of the game, and had 1 of his 2 td passes against their 4th and 5th string corners, the other which was a mismatch against an UDFA corner against his #1 wr (due to Woodson being knocked out) Im not giving a QB props for being able to torch backups. And I hate the people who compare Rapistburger to Peyton/Brady. Sure those guys all lost superbowls for their teams but Brady and Peyton carry their team in superbowls, so if they make a mistake its due to all the weight being on their shoulders. The Rapist on the other hand completely gets carried on his teams/the refs backs in superbowls. Which is why regardless of how many superbowls the Rapist is in he will never be considered for superbowl mvp
How was his defense most responsible when Peyton led his o to 7 pts the last 3 qtrs and threw the INT that basically ended the game? Ben gets no credit for yesterday, he wasn't good. I am just bringing up an example of peyton choking as badly, if not worse, in last years SB. Peyton never carried a team to a SB, in his only SB title run he had one great half all postseason and didn't do much else. Last year he had a good postseason in the AFC playoffs(good against us at least) and threw away the SB. Pitt wasn't winning SBs in this era before they got Ben. Ben was the reason they beat us or we might have been celebrating last night.
so green bay's defense gets no credit for forcing the pick 6 or breaking up the pass on 4th and 5? i am not saying ben played a good game but i would blame the defense for lettting a rodgers torching them for 305 and 3 tds more than putting it on the qb
Think you counted Manning, Rivers, and Vick twice there buddy, so they can't be in your list of 10 QBs. I would definitely like to know the next 3 you would take before Ben.
Peyton had great numbers last year. And the year they won the superbowl they beat the Pats because of HIM. His numbers just werent great that season because he played against the 2 best defenses (with absolutely NO offenses) in the nfl, but he did enough to secure his team the win.
Hell no on Cassel and Ryan. I think these guys are both incredibly overated. But I would take Eli, Sanchez, Schaub and possibly Orton over him in addition to the others above.
OK, so the QBs you would take before Ben minus those 3 (Manning, Rivers, Vick) are: Brady Rodgers Brees Ryan Matt Cassel Tony Romo Josh Freeman Eli Manning Donovan Mcnabb The fact that you can look at this list, and expect us to take you seriously, is laughable. As much of a prick he is, he's a great QB.
OK but he didn't play well, they got off to a fast start up 10-0 then he led his team to 7 pts the rest of the game and threw the pick that ended his teams chances- that's not good no matter what the #s say. Now you use the defense excuse? If his defense didn't putplay Baltimor'es they don't win that day. Steve McNair happened to be worse than peyton that day. vs. Chi he didn't do much. Their D scored a TD and the Indy running game controlled that game for the Indy O. by the way, he outdueld rex Grossman for that title:lol: he was great in the 2nd half against NE, that's the only nice thing you can say about him during that 4 game SB run. One great half, 2 great qtrs in 16 total qtrs.
LOL Donovan McNabb.....what has HE ever won? Same guy that got benched for Rex Grossman this year. HAHA you're a tool.
You take the losers...I'll keep the winner. Can't win 'em all but he's 2 for 3 in the big game. I'll ride those odds all day long
The fact that the Steelers went 3-1 with Charlie Batch just demonstrates how good the rest of the team is and how they aren't completely reliant on Ben. Wins and championships are TEAM statistics. 2 rings and 10-3 in the playoffs doesn't mean shit on an individual level, as QBs only play half the game. Put Matthew Stafford on the Steelers and they still at least make the playoffs. That's how good the rest of the team is.
