Based on what? Cromartie took all that Manning had to offer and only gave up one big play. Wilson has shown nothing so far. We gotta bring Cro back next year or we can forget about getting back to the AFC Championship game.
Cro is too much money and we drafted Kyle Wilson to be a starter. Wilson's picking up his game and has the whole offseason(and possibly another year on top of that) to learn from Revis. I don't think any return to the AFCC is predicated on having Cro back. Besides, we all heard Tannenbaum's response to questions of Cro staying during his presser. Cro is on his way out.
1) Leonhard started only 1 yr in Baltimore before coming to the Jets... 2) Agreed Leonhard is a great tackler but he can't pass defend vs TEs... and all year long teams were exploiting that. Exactly. In a perfect world with no cap sure let's bring back Cro. But in the real world we have invested a top pick in Wilson and need the money we'd spend on Cro to re-sign other guys... Both Leonhard and Smith are pretty bad at covering TEs but I think Leonhard is worse... Leonhard can't cover almost ANY TE, Smith just has problems with the faster ones... again, in my opinion. Pool is the best way to go vs a TE (atm).
One guy that I find interesting is Mathius Kiwanuka. It's high risk high reward. I mean with the neck injury he has who knows how long his career lasts but that also means he's not going to get paid. All I know is the guy can rush the passer. Can he play in s 3-4? I don't know that's for Rex and Tanny to decide but I don't think he will have a problem standing up. He may have trouble in coverage but so do all of our olb's. Who would you rather have in 3rd down passer situations Taylor or kiwanuka??
What do you guys think of Anderson from the Texans? I wonder if he can play standing up... http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=AND355961 Ps I'm talking OLB... I wonder what kind of $$$ he'd demand...
Am I the only guy who thinks Kamerion Wimbley could possibly be a very good fit for us at OLB? He's had 35.5 career sacks, his totals have improved each of the last 2 seasons (from 4.5 to 6 to 9 this past season). He's made 229 solo tackles, forced 8 fumbles and is only 27. IMO he'd be an immediate upgrade over BLT. I don't know how he plays vs the run, but he has to be better in coverage and in rushing the QB than BLT. He'd probably leap at the chance to come play for Rex in NY and may come at a reasonable price. Is he the long term answer? No, but would be a likely improvement to the pass rush. I'd still want the Jets to draft an OLB in the 1st or 3rd round if he's anywhere near the BAP. I don't understand the desire for Kiwanuka. He's coming off a fairly major injury and has never played in a 3-4 alignment. If I'm not mistaken, Wimbley has played his entire NFL career as an OLB in a 3-4. There would be no learning curve. He's played for two crummy teams Cleveland and then the Raiduhs.
When asked about Cro returning next season, Tannenbaum's response was described as "lukewarm at best" by most of the beat writers. He gave the usual, "He did some good things for us," response but was very noncommittal on whether or not the Jets will resign him. Cro could be back but I wouldn't stake anything on it.
Has signing Champ Bailey been discussed at all? He is a UFA is he not? You know he wants a ring, and the Jets give him the best opportunity. I also imagine he'd love to play opposite Revis and under Rex Ryan and co. He'll probably be cheaper than Aso and won't require a long contract which Aso will most likely push for. Not to mention the veteran leadership that would be added to that secondary, imagine what Revis AND Bailey could teach Wilson?
Surprised more people aren't pushing for Wimbley. He is EXACTLY what we need. I would be willing to dump BT's 3.5 million and even give up Harris's projected 8 million to sign this beast to a long term contract. He has now moved up to to top of my FA list. We can get a DE/NT and even a solid ILB later in the draft. OLB is where we need to make a splash.
I didn't realize Wimbley was on the FA list. I'd certainly be interested in bringing him in, but as a cheap stop-gap only. The guy can get to the passer but we need to bring in a rookie pass rusher soon. We cannot keep surviving on FAs to fill starting roles for too much longer. My idea with bringing in Kiwanuka was to that point. I always thought he had potential in a 3-4. I figured he'd be cheap due to the injury if he can return and pass a physical which would mean that it wouldn't be too much of a loss to part with him. He was never intended to be the only option in my mind, neither would Wimbley. The got sent from one shit NFL franchise to an even shittier NFL franchise for a reason. If he was a world-beater, he would have been playing for a better team by now.
Wimbley was traded because the Browns, knowing they weren't going anywhere this year, wanted to get value for him before he became a UFA (see:Holmes for a fifth). The Raiders, of course, were willing to give up the most for a one year rental(a third). He is more than just a stopgap. He is the kind of OLB our defense has been missing, what Gholston was supposed to be. I would take his presence over David Harris every day of the week. Being mired in Oaktown could even work out to our advantage, bringing his price down a little bit, provided Crazy Al doesn't try to break the bank for him. All reports out of Cleveland are that he was a consummate teammate and locker room leader. Combined with his obvious Ware-like defensive abilities, there is no good reason not to commit to the guy long-term. I also wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Kiwi if there is anything there, though I rest assured Tanny will do so regardless of our feelings.
Year/sacks: 2006/11 2007/5 2008/4 2009/6.5 2010/9 He's flashed twice; not horrible but not great. As I said, if he was a world beater that was worth a long-term deal then he wouldn't be playing for Oakland for a 3rd rounder. If he was a great teammate and character guy then the comparisons to Holmes coming out of Pittsburgh don't really hold here. He has the potential but I wouldn't be throwing cash at him yet. We still need a rookie but I wouldn't be upset to see Wimbley on the Jets for a short stint as a tryout in the system. One or two year deal would do.
kill Bryan Thomas, and sign Wimbley to a 2 year contract. Drafting a OLB obviously would still be a priority. I also agree that a 32 year old Champ Bailey as a corner, or possibly a safety would work very well. Rex can probably make Wimbley into a 10 sack a year guy in his defense. Which will also help Pace out(especially if he doesnt break his fucking foot in preseason.) IDK about Kiwi. He never played in a 3/4. He has experience in a 4/3 as an OLB though. I wonder how serious his injury is though. I believe he was able to play, but had to be on IR..because of the seriousness of his neck injury getting worse.
From where though? Late first round isn't the place to pick up an elite pass-rusher. A solid NT or DE can be had there. LBs in Harris's realm make it late into the 2nd round. I wouldn't mind drafting an OLB project in the later rounds, though I'm projecting a safety there. Wimbley put up very respectable numbers on terrible defenses. He has shown enough that leads me to believe those numbers will only go up when turned loose in a Rex Ryan scheme. He is really the best option we have to create a pass-rush presence on our D next year.
Lamarr Woodley was taken in the middle of the second round. Jarred Allen went in round four. Cameron Wake was undrafted. Pass rushing talent can be found outside of the top 15. Where we're picking, Jabaal Sheard, Jeremy Beal and Justin Houston should be there. All are great prospects. I'm not against bringing in Wimbley, I just don't see the hype for him on a hypothetical of what he may be able to do in a new system. Especially not when we can probably bring him in on low-risk terms like a 2 year deal and then extend him if he performs. Why rush to commit when you don't have to commit? No one is going to be knocking down his door to offer him a big deal. A low-risk wait-and-see approach is fine with him.
mangini discarded him last yr to oakland because he stunk in the 3-4 he played last yr on the d line for the raiders
Cato, I agree that Wimbley is no world beater. Even though his sack numbers aren't that much better than BLT's, he's younger, and is more of a natural pass rusher. I think his speed is better, and I do think his sack numbers would go up playing in Rex's system. Perhaps he'd be willing to sign a one- or two-year deal laden with incentives. Perhaps they could even include a team option where if Wimbley hits a certain number of sacks in each year of the deal, the club has the option to extend him for another year or two. If he wants too much money, then I wouldn't have any interest. Regardless of whether the Jets can sign Wimbley or another vet FA OLB, like you, I think they can't keep trying to build the club with FAs, but must do it through the draft. IMO the pass rush has to be the #1 priority. To that end, if I'm Tanny I not only try to acquire an OLB prospect like Beals in round 1, but I also hope to find one in either round 3 or 4. I definitely believe in going BAP, but if the ratings between 2 players at different positions is close, then I go with the OLB. If no one's there at the end of round 1, but they think one will fall somewhere in round 2, then I would hope they'd trade down acquiring and extra pick and try to get that guy in the 2nd round. One can't have too many pass rushers. Pace is also getting long in the tooth, and isn't that great anyway. It would be nice to already have his replacement on hand so he could be phased out in a year or two or the Jets could try to trade him for a pick if the rook shows enough. Getting two would hopefully insure that at least one of the guys pans out, and would also be insurance in case Wimbley (or whoever) is playing the other OLB spot opposite Pace doesn't get hurt or have a bad year. The only problem with that scenario is that at least Tanny hasn't shown an ability (or maybe it's Clinkscales and the Jets' Scouting Dept.) to find excellent players in the 5th thru 7th rounds. They've hit it big with some UFAs, but not those lower draft picks. He's due, but I wouldn't want to have to count on that. Even with the 3rd and 4th round picks, he's not been gold. He's probably had better success with the 4th round picks, but still could do better.
