Dolphins in the lead for Jim Harbaugh?

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  1. Sundayjack

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    Don't be stupid. These things aren't locked into tradition. They're defined by law.

    It's the nature of the contract, and all types of contract aren't equal. Players enter into a profession where the player's contract is freely assignable, but they CAN adopt no-trade clauses to level the playing field. They typically don't, because there's value attached to that. Coaches aren't subject to the same collective bargaining arrangement. Their contracts are personal, and can't be assigned without their consent.
     
  2. Mambo9

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    Wow wow wow. Easy there...

    The logic is a player is responsible for HIS play (even the QB), a coach is responsible for THE TEAM's play.
    A player is required to have authority only on himself (if he has authority on other players it's a plus) while a HC has (ALWAYS) authority on the whole team + coaching staff.

    Becuase of these differences a HC requires the respect and backing of the organization that a player seldom deserves (I'm not saying never).
    As an organization you're either 100% behind a coach or 0%... with players you're always looking to upgrade.


    PS When I say 100% behind I mean you're always clear with him and you back him in front of the team + coaching staff.
     
  3. abyzmul

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    This will be so awesome if Harbaugh snubs the Dolphags. Ross is turning that place into a circus.


    I am eagerly anticipating the failure of the first Ross regime to be followed shortly by the grand entrance of King Carl.
     
  4. deathstar

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    Nothing to see here folks...Good things don't happen to the Dolphins.

    I fully expect for Morono to come back and lead us once again to a 7-9 record.
     
  5. milo

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    Yeah I seriously question the motives of this guy to begin with. If Ross could sign up for 7-9 for the next five years in exchange for financing for a waterpark next to the stadium, he'd do it in a heartbeat.
     
  6. bojanglesman

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    Field Goal!!! Fuck yeah!!!!!


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  7. Hemi

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    Why does it matter?

    Who sets the goals and overall direction of the team in terms of style of play and players?

    When you fire or replace a coach, you are hitting the reset button on the team. The next coach will want his players, his philosphy and stamp on the team. The same cannot be said for a left tackle, or a cornerback. That is the difference.

    This is not a question of ethics.

    This is more a question of the leadership and direction of a franchise.

    If you want to try to equate the head coach to a player on a team in terms of how to treat them, the only comparison you can make is QB. As others have pointed out, to even make that comparison is a stretch. Unless it is Manning or Brady, and even Brady is not the one who dictates that much with Belichick around.

    Look at the structure of a team. What are it's primary leadership positions in terms of team direction and importance? Remember that list is subjective based on philosophy and ideals of the management of the team. Some teams are more offense orientated, others defensive. Their priorities and leadership needs in those two cases are different. Then ask yourself, who sets the team direction and goals in terms of players and strategy? It certainly isn't the right guard while the team shops for a new right guard. That is the difference.

    You undermine the head coach, you undermine the team, in a case where you still have a coach and shop for a new one. You are saying "well, we want to upgrade, but I guess we are stuck with Sparano".
     
  8. Johnny English

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    I'm not sure Hendrick and Gordon would be prepared to let him go though.
     
  9. LoyalJetsFan

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    If the Dolphags are going to pay him $8M a year which is Belichicken money, then he'd be stupid to pass it up.

    He's unproven in the NFL so only time will tell...can't wait for all those moronic fans to start the "Let's trade the entire draft to get Luck to reunite him with Harbaugh!!!"
     
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    And thats the one thing that pissed me off the most about Morono...

    Seriously, all over 3 fucking points...
     
  11. Mambo9

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    Well come on... trading the enitre draft for a RB is moronic but for a franchise QB and probably one of the best prospects in the last 10 years...?

    If I were the Panthers I would never accept such a deal, the entire draft isn't enough for a franchise QB like Luck projects to be.
     
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    Do you think Ireland will ask him if his mother was a hooker?
     
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    apparently theyre saying on the dolphins board that he is hired....... not sure if thats the case but i dont see y he wouldnt take the cash
     
  14. HOI

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    as soon as he signs he will already be better than Ryan.
     
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    FWIW Considering how much money Ross is willing to spend on a HC it's a good thing they hired Harbaugh (talented yet unproven in the NFL) over guys like Gruden and Cowher...
     
  18. WhiteShoeWillis

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    obviously.
     
  19. hazmat

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    King Carl is on the plane!! He's back.....


    Dolphins move to forefront of Harbaugh pursuit

    By Jason La Canfora NFL Network
    NFL Network Insider
    Published: Jan. 6, 2011 at 01:00 p.m. Updated: Jan. 6, 2011 at 01:07 p.m.
    The Miami Dolphins could be preparing to offer Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh a contract worth $8 million per season, according to league sources.

    Should the Dolphins fulfill the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview at least one minority candidate for an open head coaching job, the hiring of Harbaugh could happen quickly.

    The Dolphins' interest in Harbaugh increased after they failed to land former Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Oakland Raiders coach Jon Gruden. Dolphins owner Steve Ross, general manager Jeff Ireland and team consultant Carl Peterson, a former NFL executive, flew to California late Wednesday to meet with Harbaugh on Thursday.

    The San Francisco 49ers met with Harbaugh on Wednesday and have offered him around $4.5 million per season, according to league sources. The sources added that the Dolphins offered Gruden $7 million per season, which he rejected to stay at ESPN as an analyst.

    Harbaugh is seeking a deal worth around $6.5 million per season, which Pete Carroll received from the Seattle Seahawks last year to leave USC. And while several people close to Harbaugh have advised him against going to the 49ers because of their front-office structure, he has received more favorable reports on Ireland and the Dolphins.

    Ross, Ireland and Dolphins CEO Mike Dee were on the Stanford sideline before Monday's Orange Bowl in Miami, and league sources said the team has made repeated contact with Harbaugh after finishing 7-9 for the second consecutive season.

    The Dolphins have been unwilling to blow up their football-operations department, which took them out of the running for former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher. Dolphins officials believe they need to make a splash and land a coach who can have the team play more attractive football than Tony Sparano -- who's still employed at the moment -- and make Miami more riveting in what can be a fickle professional sports market.

    Sparano and his staff are hanging in the balance, and league sources told NFL Network reporter Albert Breer that Dolphins coaches are "preparing for the worst", but no announcement has been made about their future with the team.

    Working in the 49ers favor, several sources say, is Harbaugh already lives in the Bay Area with his young family so there is potential for a deal to be quickly completed. Over the past week, Harbaugh has focused more on NFL opportunities, with the University of Michigan, where he played, losing traction as a possibility.

    With so many suitors, Harbaugh is in a position to call the shots, though he has a tendency to go back and forth at times. Harbaugh doesn't want to string along his players, coaches and officials at Stanford any longer than need be, which also could result in a resolution by the weekend.

    The 49ers announced Trent Baalke as their new general manager Tuesday night, and he has said he expects to have a coach in place by Friday, a team source said. Coach Mike Singletary was fired after a 25-17 loss at St. Louis on Dec. 26 that eliminated San Francisco from the playoffs for an eighth consecutive season.

    The 49ers also interviewed Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Hue Jackson on Wednesday. Jackson is considered a serious candidate as well, and his interview brings the 49ers in compliance with the Rooney Rule.

    Former Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would be high on San Francisco's list, as the team heard repeated positive sentiment about him through the hiring process. However, sources close to McDaniels believe it's virtually certain he wouldn't go to the 49ers given their current front-office structure, and it's far more likely he would wind up with the Atlanta Falcons as their offensive coordinator should Mike Mularkey land as a head coach elsewhere.

    The 49ers are expected to turn to Brian Billick (an NFL Network and Fox analyst), Marty Mornhinweg and other former NFL head coaches should they fail to land Harbaugh or McDaniels.

    Harbaugh, 47, has been at Stanford since 2007. This season, he led the Cardinal to a program-best 12-1 record and an Orange Bowl victory.

    Harbaugh is 58-27 overall as a college coach and 29-21 in four seasons at Stanford. He took over a 1-11 Cardinal team when he was hired in December 2006 and quickly turned the program into a winner and bowl contender.

    Many believe Harbaugh, who played 15 seasons in the NFL, is ready to make the leap to the next level and is eager for a new challenge. He was the Oakland Raiders' quarterbacks coach from 2002 to 2003 before spending three seasons as head coach at the University of San Diego.

    Harbaugh's brother, John, is the coach of the Baltimore Ravens, who are in the playoffs as a wild-card team this season.
     
  20. swifty_0

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    The 49ers have a pretty good young defense, and some talent on Offense. Get a decent QB and that teams a playoff squad.

    I don't know why you'd go to a team with no qb, no rb, and shitty line.
     

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