The guy is a dud. Stop making excuses for him. The bottom line is he's not an inspirational leader of men. And that is a large part of what a HEAD NFL coach does.
Yeah okay, Herman Edwards was an inspirational leader of men. Fact of the matter is Lombardi himself couldn't have taken a 4-12 CLE team following '08 and gotten to the playoffs in only two seasons.... Apparently, two seasons is all they were willing to give EM, which is ridiculous. Now as McCoy, Hillis and that OL come together, Holmgren will assume all the credit for the legit personnel overhaul that EM was in the midst of. But that's the nature of the beast....
That is the problem I have with this. Browns were playing well with McCoy. Mangini is saddled with Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme, both HOLMGREN hires. AYFKM?
I'd say he will, down the line. I think it's in his best interest to take a year or so off and see whats available later.
You guys are touting all those players he brought to the Browns but the results were still pathetic. Let's face it, for all his attention to the offensive side of the ball how did Mantits improve the record of this team? He didn't. Yeah they have some potentially nice players but so do MANY bad teams! Does that mean they are all well coached?
You're forgetting that building a quality team takes time. They were trying to build something long-term over there, no stop-gap. How many coaches lead a successful season with 3 different QBs? Also, look how many one score games they lost. I'm not trying to say Mangini is a great HC or that he'd lead CLE to a SB, but I do think he has an eye for talent and did have Cleveland headed in the right direction which doesn't merit getting fired; but as soon as Holmgren was hired you knew EM was done.
Pete Carroll should be the model for failed NFL head coaches. Fired by the Jets. Fired by the Patriots. Turns a moribund USC program into a juggernaut, and then parlays that into another fat NFL contract when he knows NCAA sanctions are about to blow his program up. And if all that weren't enough, becomes the first NFL coach ever to make the playoffs with a losing record. What a country. Will Eric Mangini ever be a head coach in the NFL ever again? Is this a real question? One of the guys rumored to be in the running to replace Mangini is Marty Freaking Mornhingweg.
That St Lois - Arizona game was just ridiculous. Neither deserve to be in the playoffs. If you can't manage to get in with a winning record, your division should forfeit being in the running, and the next best league record should get the nod.
It is called an off-topic comment. SJ was talking about how the universe can birth a Pete Carroll situation. And it reminded me to bitch about that game.
I nearly moved to Cleveland voluntarily. I worked for a company that had a huge office there and I was bagging a really hot chick that lived there who wanted to get closer so I nearly did it. The housing was cheap and I didn't think the city was that bad. I think the lake effect snow would have killed me though. Indians games are fun and I guess I'd have a real hatred of Lebron instead of just dislike.
He did not. He took over after Bud Carson & Jim Shofner coached the team to a 3-13 mark in 1990. The 1991-93 teams were mediocre. It wasn't like Belichick was clueless or something. 1991 Browns 6-10, 293-298 (PF-PA) 1992 Browns, 7-9, 272-275 1993 Browns, 7-9, 304-307 I thought getting rid of Bernie Kosar during the season was a good move. His time as an effective starter had passed. Then in 1994 they started to win. They went 11-5 and outscored their opponents 340-204. The Browns beat the 49ers in 1993 and they beat the Cowboys in 1994. Belichick surely proved he was a good NFL coach. At least I thought so at the time. Forget about 1995. That was a bizarre team-will-leave-town-after-the-season season. No coach was going to have success in such a situation.
I am going to miss his scowl on the sideline. Why is it all the living legends flame out the soonest. It was all downhill after 2006.
that is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have read on this board. Mangini got fired because he took over a 4-12 team and only won 5 games each season -- hardly an improvement. all he had to do was make the team better to an extent that it translated to wins -- he couldn't do that. to simplify that to having to make the playoffs in two seasons is pathetic. Mangini didn't make the team much better, plain and simple. not that he didn't make them a playoff team or a Super Bowl -- he didn't make them much better. he isn't a winner.
