I don't need an excuse. I've provided facts that prove you wrong. Anyone with half a brain can see who is using excuses. You're not fooling anyone with your ridiculous banter. Keep screaming your opinion, someone will hear it. You want to say Cro isn't one of the best #2's in the game, then why not tell us a few guys that you'd prefer over him. I'm not going to address your question because it does nothing to invalidate anything I've said even if it were true. You can cherry pick situations all you want, that doesn't mean he's getting beat every game on a consistent basis as you keep insisting.
It's ok for you guys to attack me though, right? It's not childish, it's true. I haven't met a less knowledgeable poster on this site. If BB says something you should do the opposite. Start thinking for yourslef and stop listening to what others tell you. I ask AGAIN. Do you think Cromartie played well in the Pittsburgh game? Can ANYONE answer this question?????
You provided some #s that may or may not be accurate. You keep ignorning the question about the Pitt game b/c it ends your weak argument if you do answer it honestly. Why do you keep trying to deflect w/ the #2 CB question? That isn't what this was about. Again, you can fool some of the other folks. you aren't fooling me and whether they believe you or not means nothing to me. Your silence about the pitt game is deafening, that's all we need to know.
Wallace had over 100 yards receiving, but he was kept out of the end zone, and the jets won a game against a team they never have beaten before. if that isn't good enough, what is? if Cro- did not do the job he did when revis was out, would the jets have had to start everyone yesterday for a playoff spot? probably.
What did he really do while revis was out? he had an excellent half against Moss- a guy who quit. he got lit up by Marshall- what did he really do while revis was out? Wallace torched him all game long, it was a complete mismatch.
You're being foolish. Even if Cro didn't play well against Pitt that would in no way prove that he's always beat as you keep insisting. It's quite obvious that you're in typical junc spin mode here. So no matter what my answer to that question was, it would not help you. If I remember correctly we played a good deal of zone coverage in that game anyway.
If Cromartie continues to own Manning this Saturday like he has in recent years.....he'll be worth his weight in gold, imo.
Oh now we played zone against Pitt. he was matched up w/ Wallace most of the game and he was embarrassed. The only spinning here is coming from you. You refuse to answer the Pitt question then later it comes out that the reason was b/c Ben had too much time then it's b/c we played alot of zone. We played more zone late in that game, Wallace was humiliating Cro all game long when they were matched up.
I agree w/ you there, I just don't have confidence he'll step up. I hope he does b/c we will need him to.
You're so sad with your pathetic straw man arguments junc. Did roethlis have a lot of time to throw? Yes, as usual he did. Are you going to dispute that? Did we play a lot of zone that game? If I remember correctly, more than we usually do. Did Cro get beat that game? It doesn't matter. Cherry picking one game does not mean he is always getting beat as you continue to insist. Regardless, that wouldn't invalidate anything I've argued. Why don't you tell us how someone could be the 6th most targeted CB in the league while having the 3rd best completion percentage against and still be "always beat". You can't, because your argument sucks. You want to hang the Steelers game on your mantle and use it as some kind of argument for the entire season. It's retarded.
I think the Pittsburgh game was one of his weaker games this year. That being said he still performed much better against Wallace than most other number 2 corners in the league would have. Wallace is a great young deep threat. Cro has performed at or above my expectations from him all year. He showed the potential to be shut down early in the year and some people (you seemingly) got their expectations a bit too high for him. You trying to tell us Lito was better last year is such a flawed argument that can go in circles for hundreds of posts, but I suppose that is why you are trying to push it. Give this secondary the consistent pressure of last season and we are looking at an all time defense right now. That claim I just made can be disputed because it will be easy for you to tell me that isn't the case and because neither of us can ever create the conditions necessary to see who is actually right this silly hypothetical argument could go on forever. The point of this thread is to talk about if Cromartie is overrated. He is only overrated if you expected him to come in and be a second shutdown corner opposite Revis. By any other standard he has played well this year. You can have the last word on this because god knows how long you would continue to argue this crap if I continued to engage you.
This guy does in depth write ups of every Jets game and gives a very unbiased opinion based on what he see's on tape each week. Went back to see what he had to say about Cro in the Pitt game. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=62576 So in man coverage Cro gave up 3 catches for 50 yards and got called for a penalty. Not out of this world but not too shabby either. I would say Cro played pretty good in the Pit game and certainly didn't get beat 3 times in each half or anything.
Cromartie is underrated imo. I dont know where all these people overrating him are because alot of what I hear is bashing that he is not on Revis' level.
Why wasn't Ben having time your initial argument? Why didn't you bring up the zone we ran earlier? we didn't run alot of zone, alot for us but Cro was on Wallace most of the game. You only brought those up b/c your #s were skewered. That one game was easy, I can find other games. i just have to go over the tape when I get a chance. The point ofd the one game shows how the #s don't begin to tell the entire story. if you just look at #s you'd think he had a good game but we both know better. I would need to see all the #s to asnwer that question. All I can do is go by waht I see every week and every week he is getting beat consistently. Wallace has his 1st 100 td game in 4 games, how did he do better than others against him? Wallace is a tough matchup w/o a doubt but shouldn't the "best #2 CB" be able to hold his own against one of the best #2 WRs? Our pressure was NOT consistent last year, it was great early in the season but mid to late and in postseason it was not great. We won b/c of how well our secondary was covering more than the pressure. Maybe I did expect too much out of cromartie, maybe I am spoiled watching revis every week? That coule be true but I was not expecting Revis Part II, I was expecting a very good corner opposite Revis and I do not feel we have seen that this year on a consistent basis. 3 recs, it looks good on paper. Those that watched the game know otherwise. he was beat all game long, he held and got away w/ a couple of penalties and ben missed a couple of throws. that 3 for 50 could have turned into 8 for 150 really quick. That was a complete mismatch and we got lucky it didn't cost us the game. Clearly not the same game the rest of us were watching. Didn't this guy also write about how great jason taylor was in pressure a few weeks back? That was the first time and last time I read one of those articles.
There are few things more enjoyable on TGG than the massive Junc rebuttal where he stares reality in the face and then substitutes his own. Godspeed to whoever decides to respond to that gigantic block of shit.
I never made any argument one way or the other in regards to how Cro played in that game. That's why your comments are retarded. I honestly don't remember Cro's performance in that specific game off the top of my head. Maybe I'll re-watch when I get home tonight if I feel like it, but again, it does nothing to help your argument either way. The BGA guy does a great job each week re-watching and analyzing the Jets games. I trust his judgment far more than your hard headed unwavering opinion.
