I know the DL is not supposed to bring much pressure by itself but rather create space for the LBs (in a 3-4)... my question is: Is it the LBs not making the most of the space created by our DL or is it the DL not creating enough space for our LBs to make plays? Of course it will be a bit of both things... I was just curious to which one is the main culprit in the eyes of those posters that re-watch the game a gazillion times. I don't re-watch the game (and haven't seen the Bears game) but from a first glimpse I'm not all that impressed by the push the DL gets vs opposing OLs... they are very stout in the run game but in the pass game it doesn't look to me as if our DLs are occupying that many men. To me an improved DL would make the job a lot easier for our blitzing LBs... PS I'm not justifying our LBs... but I think the blame is 50-50 between the DL and the OLB.
Seems to me that the line isn't taking up enough blockers to get the LB's and DB's free like last year. Teams are basically getting a hat on a hat and nobody is beating their man. I love how Pouha has stepped up but Jenkins commanded a double team every time he stepped on the field which would completely change the effectiveness of a lot of these blitz packages. Really they need to find someone, be at a lineman or OLB, that commands a constant double team to open up the lanes for the other blitzers.
here's a couple reasons that come to mind -we're really missing our starting NT. -the guys we do have playing on the DL...have always been rotational players and not every down lineman (outside of S.Ellis) -our pass rushing OLB are either too old or too banged up....or both (J.Taylor). I've mentioned this in another thread....our FO needs to make DL and OLB the top priorities in the draft....and perhaps in FA as well. total overhaul required. We need a youth/talent infusion in the worst way possible.
We don't have any big time pass rushers on the D, we generate a pass rush w/ our blitzes and opponents have figured those blitzes out so culprit #1 is Rex Ryan. He needs to find a scheme that works, he needes to come up w/ new blitzes and forget the way he did things in the past b/c those things are not working.
Good points. Outside of Jenkins, the Jets didn't have someone in their front seven that demands multiple lineman every play. Jenkin's replacement has played well but not as good as a healthy Jenkins. Don't see anything wrong w/ J. Taylor because I viewed him as a situational pass rusher & not an every down player. Pass rushers are so hard to get & every team is looking to add one. Jets are going to have lots of competition through draft & FA while trying to come up w/ a pass rushing front seven player. === As for the schemes, I'm not sure what Rex can do. The prevent defense doesn't work & opposing offenses are picking up the blitzes w/ max protect. Just like most fans, I'm hoping Rex will showcase a bag of tricks & defensive schemes he hasn't revealed yet during playoffs.
For one thing, Pouha and DeVito aren't in on passing downs. Sure, if you want to critisize them on first and second downs, go ahead, but their job on those downs is to shut down the run. The problem is we don't have a good pass rusher, and that is not the fault of these guys. That is not their job, and half the time they aren't even on the field. It's about the LB's. We don't have a Suggs. We don't have a specialist like Freeney. We don't have a Clay Mathews.
Im with junk on this one but ill add petitine too. He is the DC after all. It seems we're able to dial up a nice blitz here or there, but it's nothing like last year. I'm praying that they've been holding back some nice blitz packages for the playoffs but it's likely not the case.
Did anyone notice that the turf in the last two games was crappy, and we had more pressure and sacks than the big bad Bears & Steelers?
Where is the option for the coaching staff? Mark Carrier? Maybe its the fact that we have a former free safety coaching our defensive line. Never quite understood the logic there.
Well you don't have to play a position to coach it. Rex never played football at a high level and he's the head coach.
Jenkins was out last year too though, and we generated better pass rush. I think our edge rushers (Ellis, Thomas) are getting old and losing a step. A lot of times, one edge rusher can make a difference. I hate to say it, but J. Abraham would look great in a Jets uniform again.
The best our pass rush looked was the first quarter of the ravensgame with jenkins in. We need a pass rushing lb and a great nt.
I think the role of defensive linemen in a 3-4 defense is underrated, esp for generating a pass rush. If they don't create the alleys, how can we expect to generate a pass rush without blitzing?
This one is easy. All of our pass rushers suck at pass rushing. Taylor, Thomas, Pace and Ellis none of these guys ever beat anyone. The speed of the back 8 is horrible. Is anyone watching how fast and athletic new orleans and atlanta's defense are? Does anyone think that Pool, lowery or coleman have the speed to even play in those defenses? The front office has drafted 9 defensive players in 5 years.
