emania55's second jets mock

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  1. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Cignetti and Wannstedt were both responsible for the offense and played a big part, in the shift in Baldwin's role and probably his lack of chemistry with Sunseri. He did back off his initial comments about heading to the NFL after the Haywood hiring.

    He still has time to run damage control between now and the draft and prove himself to be nothing more than a kid who didn't know when not to speak instead of an asshole who doesn't give a shit. Despite what I said before I do actually hope he can be convinced to come back for another season and prove he can be a worker rather than a guy who just takes advantage of his natural abilities.

    Getting Cignetti off of the team could actually do a lot for him. If Sunseri and Morris Watts can connect with Baldwin still on the team then they would have a chance to be a great connection. Maybe not Rod Rutherford to Larry Fitzgerald great but still pretty good.
     
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    Holmes has been here for 10 games, Edwards 2 years.

    Edwards has never been known for being that playmaker you need at the end of a game. I really never loved the trade. He's been very good for this team, but there is another plateau he's never been known for, and when it comes down to the two, I'm never going to pick Edwards.

    If he can return for a salary that doesn't make him equal to elite receivers around the league, then he can return.
     
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  3. emania55

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    and as for cooper being worse for McKnight i just flat out disagree cooper is much better in between the tackles. He didn't get the playing time to put up huge numbers and he can return kicks which we need. he also has much better intangibles.
     
  4. Mr Electric

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    I'm assuming you mean these positions in this order:

    1. 3-4 Defensive End
    2. Safety
    3. 3-4 Outside Linebacker
    4. Nose Tackle

    I think running back is a need that people are overlooking right now. I also think a developmental slot receiver should be considered.

    Neither do I, but who said anything about them starting right away? Matt Slauson was a sixth rounder two years ago and he's been a big contributor this season. You can find talented offensive linemen late in the draft.

    It's your mock...with your players. I just thought the description was a little weird.
     
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    you guys are amazing!!!! 24 HRS. before game 15 to clinch a playoff spot and a mock draft????? I don't mean this in a mean way, really, how the hell can you even think about something like this. Do you live and die with this team or is this just fantasy shit?. I just cant' relate, not even 1%. I am going to bed thinking about 1pm and waking up thinking about 1pm and what I am eating. Not even thinking about Sunday sex or the snow storm.
     
  6. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    This was one of the things that scared me about bringing in Tomlinson. Schottenheimer has not really been helping his longevity.
    Any chance we could pull Freddie Barnes off of the Bears' offseason roster since I'm still on that bandwagon?
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    I understand you like Graig Cooper a lot, but he's done close to nothing at the college level.

    At least Joe McKnight was productive at USC.

    You keep using the excuse that Cooper didn't get reps because Miami's backfield was so loaded. Look at Southern Cal's stable of running backs in 2009: Allen Bradford, Stanley Havili, Stafon Johnson, CJ Gable, and Marc Tyler.

    Cooper had a YPC of 4.5 with just 35 carries.

    McKnight had a YPC of 6.2 with 164 carries.
     
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    I've been thinking about the draft since the bye week.

    I take it you never venture into the Draft Forum?
     
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    Maybe its just me but I dont think anyone sees this as an urgent game. I mean if youre a giants fan your shitting your pants right now since if they lose tomorrow theyre on the brink of not making the playoffs.

    But I think in the minds of any jet fan, we "pretty much" clinched at this point, so theres no point in worrying until wild card weekend at this point.

    Only crazy thing that really could happen is the Pats go on a 2 game skid and we take the division, but thats also not gonna be on anyones minds unless the pats lose tomorrow.
     
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    Perfect points, coupled with your point about the chemistry Sanchez has with these guys is why we need to do whatever it takes to bring back both Edwards and Holmes. It will be the best thing for the development of Sanchez, and in order to win a title, or dare I say it, multiple rings, we need Sanchez to reach his potential.
     
  11. Mr Electric

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    I still don't understand how he wasn't drafted. That completely blew my mind.
     
  12. emania55

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    mr.e it was a bad description of turner. and i was responding to someone else who said we needed a rt for next year. Rb is definitely a need but like you said Slauson made a jump from last year to this one, I think McKnight and Vlad can make similar one's. Also the value is just not there in the first 4 rounds to take a slot receiver over one of these players at least imo. In the later rounds I'm fine with that there just wasn't one i loved.

    And maybe i am being a little homerish on cooper.
     
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    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    What is your opinion of John Clay? 5.3 yards on 176 at 6'1" 255 lbs seems like a great option for a between the tackles runner to split with Greene. I see no reason why he couldn't be had in the middle rounds.
     
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    I just like his name.

    Its very Colonial.
     
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    Apparently he can only think about one thing at a time, so it's probably better that he stays away. His head would probably explode.
     
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    We should draft him and Andrew Jackson, let them play out their careers on the team and then bring Jackson back for a retirement speech so he can talk about his only regret in life being not shooting Clay.
     
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    John Clay is an absolute monster. A lot of people keep comparing him to Ron Dayne and I actually don't mind that comparison. Dayne just couldn't keep his weight under control. I think he'll be a third or fourth rounder.

    I was actually talking with my uncle today about the TCU/Wisconsin Rose Bowl game.

    He kept talking about how great TCU's defense is. I just kept reminding him that John Clay is bigger than most of their defensive ends and all of their linebackers. My gut feeling is that the Badgers will run all over the Horned Frogs.

    The President will be in my next mock.
     
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    IMO, part of Dayne busting was the fact that his powerful style didn't transition well, it was an equal playing field in the NFL. Plus when you don't have mack truck size holes to run through like you did in college, it's harder for that back to perform like he use to.

    I think White will be a better prospect, he's more rounded as a back...
     
  19. Mr Electric

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    Dayne was drafted way ahead of where he actually belonged. He wasn't able to fulfill those great expectations...the expectations of a Heisman winner that was selected 11th overall.

    I think it's fairly obvious that Dayne couldn't run through everyone at the next level. He still had some decent years as a back in a committee with Tiki Barber. His weight just got way out of control. I remember at one point he weighed over 280 pounds.

    The guy put up decent numbers, but never dominated. If we can get that kind of power running production out of a mid-rounder, then I'd say that pick is a success.
     
  20. CatoTheElder

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    If we want a player to punish defenders, then White fits that bill perfectly. He doesn't have the attitude issues that came with LenWhale and his build is much more muscular than Dayne's.

    One of Dayne's biggest issues coming out of college was that he kept trying to play like a smaller back which never worked for him. If he learned to square his shoulder pads and just run at the line(along with hold onto the ball and put down the fork) he would have been far more successful than he was.

    If we want to keep the Dayne comparisons going, his best career average was 5.1 YPC with Denver where he played as a back-up in a zone blocking, one-cut system. The Jets use a lot of zone in the running game and the back-up role is exactly the role the Jets would want for him.
    No argument here, but White's a freshman so he really doesn't help anyone in this draft.
     

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