The general feeling from everyone not from Auburn is that this is still just a football issue. No one thinks there is any accreditation issue, primarily because they don't care. Most of the fans of the schools down here didn't even go to the school they support, so the only real concern lies within the alumni associations and the Auburn alumni I know are being very hush hush about the FBI, Lowder, etc. I've tried to bring it up at the water cooler, but these people have had so many years of dealing with Alabama fans they've developed a code of silence. Speculation from everyone else is total forfeiture of the season and probation and that it's not a question of if he's guilty but when they'll inform us. That said, the people I talk to and meet around with down here feel that Auburn is going to win the national title and only have it taken from them. With the FBI snooping around, people feel there won't be any ruling before the end of the season so the feds can do their thing. Rumor is Miss Stake is pissing themselves over it. I haven't heard of anything tying OM into it, from what I understand we didn't even pursue Cam. I work with a JVSU alum. She's been rubbing it in my face all year.
rich, auburn was recently on academic probation. thought youd be interested. this could be 2 violations in 10 years. http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=1557500
I'll always be the 1st to admit when I'm wrong and it appears at least at the present time I was wrong about this. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101201/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_t25_auburn_newton
It's a damn shame that his dad tried to exploit him like that. I knew something was up, but I always had a feeling that Cam was never involved. Now...give him his Heisman.
You would think his dad being a man associated with God would have some ethics. Can't disagree, this Heisman is about as slam dunk as we've ever had. James has had a good year but between lack of exposure to teh east Coast and Newton's game on Friday was insane he should run away with it.
This reminds me of the 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree. (If you guys haven't seen it, check it out) I think it's between Cam Newton and Andrew Luck. If Auburn loses to South Carolina, things could get interesting. As of right now though, it's Newton's award hands down.
I've come to understand that the people who hold up God as the reason for legitimacy are many times the ones that are quickest to exploit it. It's sickening, but some people are just born infected with greed. As for Cam, he'll make plenty of money on his own in a few months. Hopefully this will have taught him a valuable lesson about money, and that sometimes even the people closest to you can't be 100% trusted.
You feel bad for the kid, this entire thing could have brought him down because of the person who brought him into this world's greed. The last person who should be selling him out tried to. Regardless the kid is going to make millions and I'm sure his dad would have been on the receiving end of some of it. I'll still root for Oregon or Auburn to lose but I'll be rooting for Cam. The strength he showed through all of this was pretty incredibel and didn't allow it to sidetrack him or his season.
That's very true, and a lot of NFL teams are going to be moving him way up their boards because of the maturity he showed. It's like the saying goes, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger; Cam survived this, stayed undefeated, and will be poised to reap the rewards in April.
did you guys even read the entire article? the NCAA isn't finished investigating, they are simply stating for the time being there is no evidence that Cam Newton knew of the plan, which in and of itself defies logic. your dad is telling you when and where you can go to school and you don't think he has something up his sleeves? not to mention his strict subservientness to his dad doesn't reveal any maturity, it reveals a fearful boy no different than Todd Marinovich who did everything his daddy told him to, and was successful in college as well, but nobody would ever attempt to confuse such as maturity. fact is it is more likely than not Cam Newton knew, and there is no reason why the entire situation would cause him to play any worse when he is as athletically gifted as he is. the NCAA's ruling is a complete joke. now all a student athlete has to claim is ignorance and they can have any person they like solicit money on their behalf as long as they don't make the demands themselves. good thing the NCAA doesn't have a bias in protecting the SEC or anything. eh, what do they care, they will rule hypocritically in another situation if a non SEC school has the same thing happen to them.
at no point have I ever disputed his ability. my post was that the situation doesn't somehow reflect some heroic level of maturity on his behalf and the article in question doesn't vindicate him in the least. that being said, it isn't unlikely that Heisman voters who see through the NCAA's ridiculous ruling that goes against the very nature of the rules that prohibits anyone from soliciting compensation for a player and votes for Luck to simply avoid the repercussions of any possible further sanctions.
This is a 21 year old kid we're talking about. He's a kid. I'm sure Gene Chizik and Gus Malzahn have played a role in how he's dealt with this issue, but I respect the hell out of him for the way he's handled all of this pressure. If Cam Newton and Auburn beat South Carolina, win the SEC, and finish undefeated...and the Heisman voters give the award to someone else, then that will be a fucking crock of shit. He's the best player in the country and it's his award to lose...off-the-field issues or not.
and here is where your argument just failed -- if he is the best player in the country, what does it matter whether they lose or not, he would still be the best regardless of any outcome. or is he only the best of his team is also undefeated? what if he finishes the regular season undefeated, but loses to Oregon, but Luck wins his bowl game? then they both have identical records and identical losses -- to Oregon? who is better then if losses would dictate who is deserving and they both have the same loss?
We all know the award is given to the best player on the best team - for some reason it's been that way for years. Heisman voting happens before the bowls, so who's argument failed?
not quite. your argument was contradictory and when the Heisman is voted on doesn't change that. you claimed that he is the best player on the best team, but we won't know which is the best team until after the Bowl Games, thus he inherently doesn't meet the very requirements for what you consider deserving of the Heisman -- best player on the best team -- at all currently. you've got to be careful about the qualifications you throw around. at this point his body of work either validates him as the best player in college football or not, so whether they lose or not is irrelevant. or are you seriously claiming he is a better player today, but if he loses to South Carolina he will somehow not be better than Andrew Luck because of it even if they would then have identical records. not to mention if they do lose, and both Aubrun and Stanford both have one loss, and the best team is Oregon, do they both lose contention for the Heisman and the winner should be from Oregon or perhaps even TCU? that is what you just required by your qualification that the winner is the best player from the best team. My argument certainly didn't fall into such a ludicrous trap, so it isn't my argument that failed by claiming he is the best player regardless of whether he loses or not this weekend.
Those are my "qualifications". The voters seem to think the award should go to the best player on the best team. Cam Newton is the best player in college football even if Auburn has two or three losses, but he wouldn't be the Heisman front runner with a record like that. I think it's funny that you're trying to tell me about college football. It's becoming more and more obvious that you're just biased against the best conference in college football: the SEC. In my opinion, Cam Newton is the best player regardless of his team's record, but the voters don't see it that way. They usually vote for the best player on the best team. It's why players like Troy Smith and Matt Leinart won the award. ...and for the record, a one or two loss Auburn team is better than TCU. You have no argument. You claim he's immature because a father tried to exploit his son. That has nothing to do with how good of a player he is. That has nothing to do with how mature he is. It should have no affect on the Heisman voters and if it does, then that's garbage.
If Newton's status holds from here on out, any highly coveted recruit who does not employ a trusted family member as a cut-out, to auction his services, is really missing an opportunity.
This is absolutely the right ruling. You can go back and take away the Heisman or the National Championship, but you cant give it to Auburn, if you rule him ineligible and you find he didnt do anything wrong. Let the investigation continue, you do not have to rush to make a judgement.
Bingo. This is a problem for the NCAA to handle in a more thorough way down the line, and the NCAA will likely do some terrific overreaction and be incredibly wrong like they always are. What is your argument? Newton is the best player. He's also the best player on the best team. He's also the best QB on what is perceived by most as the best team. He's also the best over 6'4 player currently playing in the state of Alabama. All these have really nothing to do with the Newton saga in terms of eligibility. It's BS if he's not given the award because of all these things together, and the nature of the award in recent years factors a lot of different things in besides simply the nation's most outstanding player. Not only is he the guy who deserves the award based simply on play, he also should be the frontrunner based on the way the recent years specifications. As for the maturity aspect, you're telling me you're not impressed by the kid continuing to play excellent football while the national media spends every day calling you and your family liars and cheaters? When I was 21 I couldn't completely focus on taking a test if my girlfriend was mad at me, this kid has thousands of critics and he led a 24 point comeback on national television on the road against his team's biggest rival who had very recently a near 20 game win streak. Whether that's maturity or just big steel balls, I'll take it in my quarterback all day.
