use smileys then. Leon also ran out of base formations and was incredibly successful at it. I'm not downplaying what Brad did but to compare his YPC w/ trick plays to that of a RB out of base formations is not fair. using that flawed logic Brad is the best RB in the NFL based on his YPC. I hate to make this seem like I am taking a shot at Brad b/c I am not but: Leon scored on KRs, rushing and receiving Brad has scored on KRs, rushing and receiving Leon has 6 KR TDs, Brad has 2 Leon has 13 rush TDs, Brad has 1 Leon has 2 rec TDs, Brad has 2 rec TDs Whether it is part of the offense or not it is still a trick play formation. He hasn't gotten carries, I guess he's not fully healed but he has made an impact on that team as KR. No, I use stats as part of the equation w/ every argument. I didn't run and say Leon was better b/c he had a better avg. every week until this week and I won't run and hide like you then reappear when he has a better average. This week was one of 2 subpar return games for Leon and the other game he only had one return so he must be showing something. The argument was never against Smith, I understood the Leon decision all along and I have posted that over and over. The problem I had was giving him away for nothing and thinking McKnight would step into Leon's role. If McKnight showed us anything I'd feel better about it. I'm thrilled w/ Brad and I was fine w/ him returning kicks. it's chilidsh to run away when for 10 weeks of a season leon has a better average then in week 11 Brad finally passes him and like a child you run back to crow. That's a frontrunner mentality which I do not have.
Of course it counts. He had one great game, Smith had one great game. He's also been more consistent. That's why, as a returner, the best you can say is that it's your OPINION that Leon is marginally better. Not fact.
We're talking about this season. Not past seasons. No one is suggesting Smith has been better this year than Leon was before his injury but you, because you somehow feel a need to concoct arguments you can win. A trick play is something the defense is largely unprepared for; something unexpected. It's an unbalanced formation, which accounts for a large part of its success. However, teams do prepare for it. We're able to be successful running it because it's unbalanced, but also because we have someone in Smith who is more than capable of running it. And since he's not fully healed, we didn't "goof" on the trade as you said. His contributions would have represented a minimal improvement in the return game and a hole elsewhere. At best. I don't run and hide. I choose to pursue arguments when they're relevant. This was a good time to bring it back up. It's not hiding. FTR, I've had other reasons for not posting much lately which some other posters can attest to. Again, how many of his games have you watched? Again, wait for my search function to return. If I can still post when that happens, I'll point out early on when you did NOT understand the decision. Or perhaps you can go back to the draft and show me those posts. I was waiting for Smith's big game, which you asked me to do. Again, no one would crow if your arguments didn't reek of arrogance and unmerited assurance.
I'm talking overall Leon is better. The avg is very close, the differnece is Brad has better STs around him. I brought up the past scoring b/c someone told me Brad can score in more ways that Leon which isn't true. Try to keep up when you attack. We aren't having success w/ the wildcat, teams are routinely stopping it now. ONCE AGAIN, I understand why we traded him. We gave him away for nothing and we drafted a guy who so far is not very good. As of today it was a bad move. If McKnight can develop it can turn into a great move. It hasn't hurt us b/c we have had Brad as a KR and LT has been great catching balls but that doesn't mean it was a good move. yes, the argument wasn't relevant the last 3 months when leon was ahead of him but the moment Brad passes Leon it becomes relevant. i got it. I have watched 3-4 games he has played in. I'll wait, i'm not going anywhere just please post the links and do not cut and paste the quotes so we see exactly what was posted. When did I ask you to do that after a big Smith game? when did I ever criticize Brad Smith? One of two things has happened, either you struggle w/ reading comprehension or you are making things up.
You cannot compare stats so much in this case in terms of career. Besides the fact that naturally Leon is going to have more carries than Brad, being Brad is a WR/QB and Leon is a pure RB. Plus comparing return TDs is kind of silly because who do you think was returning kicks in NY the last four years....Leon or Brad, mostly Leon. Leon has carried the ball over 300 times, Brad less than 100. Leon has over 100 more KO returns than Brad....etc....
We can compare them as return men and use %s. Leon's more attempts gave him more chances to score but Brad's less attempts also keep his average higher. One big return affects his career avg. more than Leon. I think Leon has returned a kick for a TD every 25 attempts and Brad every 30.
Brad is a very very good player. I have always been a fan of his and I wish he would get more touches. He does so much to help this team win Leon Washington is a kick returner,that's it. Never brought into his hype really, specially as a home run threat on offense.
Posted in this thread Posted 10/5/2010 - 10/6/2010 Can you finally admit you were wrong about something? And before you say it, yes I am a fan.
Technically I was correct, he had his 2nd highest rush attempts on Halloween where he had 5 carries for 29 yds and he has had 3 recs since then which was more than the 2 he had up to that point BUT I will admit I was wrong b/c I expected he'd get even more touches than that. Thank you for being a fan:grin: and I appreciate you showing some evidence. I never have a problem admitting I am wrong, the problem is always proving I was wrong and I will never admit to something unless I believe it.
Awesome, I'm glad to see you admit you were wrong, many believe you would never do that. To your credit, looking back at the old threads about Brad Smith, McKnight, and Leon you never bashed Smith as far as callling him a bad return man. You said he was good, but Leon was great.
Yeah, I'm not sure where/when anyone claimed that Junc said Smith was bad or that Junc attacked/criticized Smith -- I don't recall anyone ever claiming that in this thread; rather, Junc randomly said that (maybe he thought other posters said he criticized Smith? idk).
When you compare Smith to Washington and analyze the trade, you have to look at what each player brings to the table now. The past is irrelevant. Washington is not the same player he was before his injury. He is purely a kick returner now. He is not a RB. If he could not break into the mess that is Seattle's RB situation this year, it is unlikely he could get significant carries as a RB anywhere in the NFL. He certainly was not getting carries on the Jets this year with LT and Green. Right now, Smith is just as good a kick returner as Washinton, but Smith just brings far more to the table as a complete football player. He can run, play WR, is a triple threat in the wildcat, and also covers kicks. Washington is just a kick returner. Add in that Washington wanted big money in a year when the Jets were up against the cap and had to sign numerous key players (Mangold, Revis, Ferguson and Harris) and is it really that hard to understand why he is gone. Yes, McNight has not panned out, but that does not make the trade a bad one when you finally realize that Washington has no place on this team and the Jets could not afford him. Put Washington on the Jets and they are not a different team or any better than 9-2.
Anyone see leon Washington on not top ten today. He returned a punt and started celebrating at the 39 yard line and the punter caught up and tackled him at like the 4.
