Haha there was a thread in the Bullshit Forum, like a year or so ago, in which we had to post pictures of TV personalities that paralleled posters; I posted Skip Bayless:Junc
I just wonder whether you guys actually watch football if you think an end around is not a trick play. Now you are comparing handing off to a RB to handing off to a WR or a play action pass? You just cannot make this nonsense up. That's great but the facts support me. just b/c the majority disagrees doesn't mean anything. Just read through these posts, I'm still waiting for the proof that I said anything negative about Brad Smith. It's sad how you guys will do anything to try to get something over on me.
End around could possibly be called a trick play but its funny you think that running the option is. Any player that played in college has played vs the option and the past few years the NFL has been rampant with option-type plays also. Its a part of the game now, your gonna really need to deal with that, or the jets will be running alot of trick plays. Edit: Isnt it also important to note that the fact that we can run the option with a WR who doubles as a QB to create that 'trick play' is actually another + in the brad smith column?
Holy crap, now we are to what effect the return had on a game? And do you really believe that Seattle is working Leon into the running game? There are only 5 games left. Seattle is the thick of the NFC West race, in the last four weeks, he has one carry, for zero yards, and one catch for nine yards. Wait any longer and the season will be over. I am guessing they are worried his legs are not up to it. Sorry, I just don't see him getting any more touches other than garbage time.
Predictable. I've seen plenty of games and film that support everyone else. And no, I'm not digging it up just like you won't dig up the film analysis. Football isn't baseball, and that's why the arguments never work. I'm not a stat guy in football because they never tell the whole story. They are a guide, not gospel. That alone makes arguing a waste of time. Its not about Brad Smith, its about the overrating of Leon Washington and understanding he was easily replaceable. That's now evident and should be put to rest. Its not about you, its about the checklist, circular arguments that have made this board a sad place to be at times. Its the same shit happening in 4 different places and I don't care about what kind of martyr you think you are. I'm not discussing it further. I refuse to go in circles and end things before we hit lap 2. I'd rather let you have your opinion than act in futility by offering something different. You love to argue, and there are times where its arguing for pure amusement. I'm just not fooled by it.
The option in the NFL is a trick play, in college it is not but int he NFL it is. teams ru it a few times a game if at all to try to throw the defense off- it is a trick play. How is lining up a WR at QB not a trick formation? No they are not working him in like I expected them to BUT they did acquire Lynch since this debate last came up 2 months ago. I don't use stats alone, I don't say player X is better than player Y just b/c of stats. Stats are part of the equation. Have you notcied every return man we put back there has success w/ westhoff? have you notcied the ost successful return man we have had(KRs) has been leon washington and how he is still doing it w/o Westhoff? This is nothing against Brad, he's done a great job but he's not leon Washington as a KR. Who cares if you discuss it or not? if you want to run away instead of presenting your side that is up to you.
There is no logical argument that Leon Washington is more valuable than Brad Smith this year. None. Anyone arguing otherwise is being ridiculous.
What are you, a robot? I was being facetious. You need to learn how to interpret things less literally. When Leon was here, he ran 'trick plays' out of the TigerCat too -- direct snaps, etc. Obviously, Brad Smith is much more effective in that role than Leon because he poses a duel threat. He also scored on an end-around 'trick play' that the entire Bengals CS knew was coming (if you watched the Sound F/X replay). So, for how tricky it was, it didn't really fool anyone -- they were outblocked and out-executed, and Smith outran them. The sad part is, you had to result to saying Smith scored on a trick play as a way to downplay his value compared to Leon's. Brad Smith won the game for us against the Bengals with both KR AND end-around TDs. He also caught a pass or two as a WR. I'll take the guy who can score in 3 different ways versus the guy who can only score 1 way (on a Kickoff), which is Leon's only chance.
This has been hashed out. Given that we have made it a part of our offense in each and every game and that teams always are forced to prepare for it, it's difficult to say that the TigerCat is a "trick play". It's simply a formation that we use as part of our offense. The end around is indeed a trick play, although on a smaller scale than some given that most teams employ it. And they acquired Lynch because their own running backs were failing, Leon included. He hasn't improved since the beginning of the season. If he had received more carries at this point, it would have been because of a lack of a better option, and he would have struggled. That's like suggesting that Anthony Dixon is a solid RB because he's now going to be pressed into duty by the absence of Frank Gore, and we all know Marshawn Lynch is no Frank Gore. Which you now say because the statistical argument that you made earlier in the thread was proven wrong. You complain that others twist arguments, and yet you consistently do so when you're proven wrong. Pot, meet kettle. Also, what else do you have on Leon besides stats for this season? How many Seattle games have you watched? I've watched several on Short Cuts, and he's shown absolutely nothing this season aside from that one game. Nothing. I'm not sure what else is telling you besides those two returns and stats that he's this vastly superior KR post-injury. In fact, I'm getting ready to load the Short Cuts game from this past week to see why his returns were so poor. Case in point. Again, my point all along from the beginning was that Leon was a marginal improvement, not a significant one, over Smith in the return game. I don't see how you can dispute that. Given the other spots we've freed up and given how well Smith has done, it's silly to suggest that Washington would have had real impact on our team. We didn't NEED him to be returning kicks thanks to Smith, we needed to keep players active who could contribute elsewhere on ST. It's not running away to grow tired sometimes of the way you endlessly stretch debates out by presenting ridiculous statements in the place of real arguments. It's having something better to do.
Leon Washington had one good game this season while Brad has had an impact on many. Anyone who argues Leon over Brad is bat shit crazy. Brad has a passing td, rushing td, and KO return td. Leon doesnt even get carries.
On a lighter note http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...son-sounds-off-after-loss?module=HP_spotlight
