Thanks for the big picture. This thread is too much an argument from the extremes, losing out the big picture. I think Greene is a real talent, but he has fumbled more than I would like. Three last year in only 108 attempts, plus there was one in the playoffs that was negated by a penalty off the ball by the D. This year he fumbled twice in only five attempts against the Ravens, but seemed since then to have better learned to hold onto the ball, until Sunday. In other words despite the fumble the big picture is he's heading in the right direction, I think. Another general point about turnovers is (unless you're talking a pick six or a fumble picked up and returned for a TD) OF COURSE the person fumbling didn't literally allow the opponent's O to score if on a subsequent play. But it's also true that an opponent's O can be most dangerous right after a turnover, when the D is not mentally set. Happens a lot, if the opponent is aggressive. As the Texans were. Yeah, the secondary should have been better positioned to defend, but that's football. A turnover can lead to that. Jus sayin....
That and LT was on fire the first couple of weeks. LT realistically could be gone next year so I'm sure the Jets are trying to get everything they can out of him now. Having LT around (and Jones last year) gives the Jets the freedom to take it slow with Greene and let him develop at his own pace rather than have to be the franchise back right here right now. Honestly with the mentors Greene has had so far, combined with his natural talent and the Jets coaching I'm expecting us to look back at Greene one day as one of the best running backs in Jets history. Maybe I'm a homer because he was my favorite player going into that draft (at the time I was posting that I'd take Greene over Sanchez... whoops!) but I really think he's a special talent. His college film reminded me of Curtis Martin with better power. I really think we got not only the right RB, but are doing the right thing in taking it slow with him. Clearly he's not a fully refined back at this point and we're allowing him to get to that point before completely being "the man".
Not to change the subject slightly, but I heard someone say they thought if LT got an SB ring this year (talk about looking too far down the road) he would retire in the Off Season, as you appear to allude to. I don't think so, even if the Jets win an SB. If he's healthy, why would LT retire? He seems to be enjoying playing well, is on a perfect team for him, and I would think there is personal satisfaction as he continues rolling higher up the lifetime records charts. Which is a good thing even for Greene. Having two very good RB's is a good thing.
It depends on a players mindset I suppose. LT could be concerned with his health. I don't know about anyone else but I feel like every time he's constantly taking massive hits to his upper legs. He might be satisfied leaving the game as a 1st ballot Hall of Famer and a Super Bowl winner. Still, we're a long ways away from the Super Bowl. I don't doubt LT would keep playing if he felt he had a realistic shot at a ring.
I do admire people who go out on top, and Favre's year this year is the perfect cautionary tale for those who are what my grandmother would call Bitter Enders. But I think the more appropriate analogy for LT is not Favre but John Elway, who got rejuvenated with a strong running game and better than average receivers, turned around a perception of being the guy who could get his team to but not win the SB, won the SB, and came back and won another one, the second time also being SB MVP, and THEN retired. Heh. Yeah, LT, be like Elway.
I hate stupid fans- The defense had no chance at stopping a backup TE, you are right CUT GREENE!! (sarcasm)
Yes he did. Compared to Greene or anyone else, I'd have to say he had the worst game of the whole team.
He's hurting and I would give him a partial mulligan for that....but the BGA analysis was very good in stating that the pressure on Sanchez has increased EXPONENTIALLY the last few weeks. The difference in Sanchez' passer rating when pressured or not is also unreal. But then again, anybody who sawy Peyton blow the game against NE knows that importance of getting pressure on ANY QB.
Sorry if this has been addressed already, but "Greene alone cost us two wins." If he cost us two losses, we'd be 10-0. I don't know why I focused on that bit of wrongness when there was so much to choose from.
i think eric smith would have to be in that conversation after how many times he was burned on sunday.
Shonn Greene has 2 fumbles all year. The media labeled him a fumbler in his ROOKIE YEAR!!! Stop buying into the bullshit, Shonn is going to be a premier back in this league for years to come, and opposing defenses will cringe when they see the NYJ on the schedule.
No one is saying he isn't a great back or he won't be premier for years to come. And he actually has 3 fumbles in 122 carries. Project that if he got the full time load could be anywhere from 6-9 fumbles over a full season. Unacceptable.
He has fumbled 3 times, and lost 2. Last year he fumbled 3 times and lost all 3. The thing about it is his fumbles come at the worst possible time. Well 3 out of the 5 that were lost any way. By no means is he a "fumbler" in my eyes, but in big situations players like Sanchez rise to the occasion and Shonn might have the label of not coming up big. I agree though, some are overreacting but that's to be expected.
not so. teams have figured out that you attack the jets defense by running crossing routes with the wideouts against our corners, or motion to keep them from jamming at the line. like peyton last year, expect the pats and steelers to attack both safeties with the tight ends down the field. houston went to school on us and it showed. the browns and lions used similar plans.
