2010 MLB Awards

Ummm, based on thinking Price (who had less wins than CC) puts me in the statard column? There's flawed logic all around and inside that argument.

Price won when it mattered, making him the "best" pitcher, which is the argument people have used to support Felix. What game in any of the 162 that Seattle played did Felix win that actually mattered in any way, shape, or form?

He used it yesterday to praise the sabremetrician win. So?

Calling oneself a nerd doesn't make one less of a nerd. The word was perfect for yesterday.

Dorkapalooza.


And now I'm done with the Cy talk. I really don't give a shit who wins it. Even if CC had received it, it wasn't the World Series, and in the end, that's all I give a damn about.

 

Most of the games he pitched in mattered. Wins in the first half matter, as well as games against the Yankees, Rays, Rangers, and other contenders.

Also, it's pretty retarded (your word) to blame a player for not having good teammates. You're basically saying no pitcher should be allowed to win an award unless he's on a good team.

You said wins are all that matter, so CC should have gotten it ahead of Price.

You have said like five times you're done talking about it and that you don't care, but you keep coming back to call everyone who disagrees with you "retards".

 

Yeah, well if you're going to keep quoting me but misrepresenting my argument you're not really leaving me a reason to let it go, are you? :wink:

It's not simpy "wins" that matter. It's meaningful wins. The ones where you pitch well against a team you're fighting for a playoff spot against. Not the ones where you're dominating the sorry Angels on a lazy August afternoon.

Hernandez pitched against the Yankees, Blue Jays, and Red Sox a total of 5 times. CC faced the Jays, Rays, and Sox a total of 10 times. Price faced the Yanks, Jays, and Sox a total of 11 times.

Put Felix in the AL East, and let those hitters see him that many times a year and he doesn't repeat his success against those teams.

And I never called anyone a "re"tard. Just a statard. :smile:




















In all honesty though, I really didn't care about the award. I do place a greater value on meaningful wins than stats, but in the end, as I've said before, any of Felix, Price, or Sabathia legitimately had a right to the award. They all pitched great this year and they all ended the voting in the top 3. Was Felix the "best" of them? Who knows or cares. None of them is getting jewelry in April, so it's a small consolation to win this.

 

I bet he still would've performed better than CC or Price, though.

The argument is not a good one.

First it's:

"he pitched in a weak division"

then it's:

"he didn't pitch any meaningful games"

then it's:


"ok, he dominated all the best teams, but he didn't face them enough times."


He faced the Yankees three times, Alio. They couldn't touch him at all. Name another pitcher who's done that recently.


You can't win if you don't score runs, and Seattle's 2010 offense was one of the worst of all time, despite having the DH.

No team has scored fewer runs per game since the advent of the DH 37 years ago.


and finally, since fans of the AL East like to claims it's the best division in baseball:

 

I was obviously joking with my last post about Jeter's Gold Glove being awarded because he played in more meaningful games, but dear lord, it really does apply here, doesn't it? It's the same (failed) logic.

It's an individual award based on individual performance. Should Jeter have an edge in the Gold Glove voting because his team was better than Cliff Pennington's A's, and so he scooped up more grounders (and watched more grounders trickle through the infield) while his team contended for a playoff spot? Of course not. Everyone knows that'd be preposterous. What if the Yankees were so good and had such a large lead that the last month of the season wasn't really competitive? Does that mean those games count less?

It's funny to watch Alio keep changing the argument, though. It's wins that matter... no, it's meaningful wins... no, it's meaningful wins against the teams in your own division, but only the good teams in your own division.

 

Whatever. Enjoy your Dorkapalooza.

 

Plus Bill Simmons attends Dorkapalooza, so he must be one of those stat-loving retards.

 

The award goes to the best pitcher in each league...not the guy that wins the most games.

PS: Bill Simmons is a faggot.

 

What's so humorous here is that it's not even like the people who favor Felix are looking at some arcane metrics to make their point. ERA, strikeouts, walks... that's about as basic as you can get.

Alio initially wanted to use wins to make his argument... but it's pretty easy to understand why wins are not the best stat for measuring an individual pitcher's performance. No calculus required. That's a team stat that requires offense. Pretty simple stuff.

But when he then tries to make it about the strength of the opponent and meaningful games... now that requires a deeper analysis and more advanced metrics. So who's being the "stat-tard" here?

(And, of course, even those advanced metrics favor Hernandez.)

 

Uhhh, nope. Guess you didn't even bother to read what I wrote. He was on PTI yesterday, where he called yesterday Dorkapalooza.

He is, and he wasn't denying it.

Again, calling yourself a dork doesn't invalidate your dorkiness.

Unless someone has specifically qualified the word "best" in this case without my knowledge, stats aren't necessarily what determines that.

 

Yes.

People with eyes.

 

Didn't A-Rod win an MVP in 2003 despite the Rangers being terrible?

 

i think felix absolutley deserved the cy young.


wins are still the most important stat as a pitcher though.

 

Hamilton has to get the award today. I think Cano is deserving of it, but Hamilton is more deserving.