Holmes-"We never ran a slant all game"

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  1. ILL-AL

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    I love how everyone is an expert
     
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    If he and RoyalTee get into a posting flame war I think my eyes will explode
     
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    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    wtf? :rofl:
     
  4. Let Peyton Manny be Peyton Manny.
     
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    Never really knew it was a deal, I don't post often all, but ive always posted in Blue.


    I don't think I am asking MS to be Peyton Manny, just commenting that I don't like him and the less he throws is in the best interest of the team.

    Schotty is not very good at calling the offense and he call way too many plays. Taking that into account Mark still misses too many plays and his throws leave alot to be desired. Just my take, but I like my QB to do one of those things well.
     
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    I don't really think I said I don't understand why the circle jerk brings the worst out of people, I don't understand why a passing comment would bring on "The pounding" from you guys.

    Original post, all I said I don't like Sanchez. Do you that warrants you calling me a Fucking idiot, with no brain in a ICU???

    I would hate see you at job review.
     
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    My job review is, "He suffers fools".
     
  8. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    When have the Jets had a QB that owns in the 4th quarter and hasn't hit his peak in terms of potential?

    Don't even say Pennington, O'Brien, Vinny, etc. This is what a franchise QB is and you "don't like him" with maybe the weakest reasons on the planet.

    You simply don't get it.
     
  9. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    You simply don't see the game correctly and you're asking for too much without understanding the context of a young QB and what goes on.

    I really don't know what you want from Sanchez. I really don't understand how the last few games haven't proven to you that he's worthy of the fanbase's respect.

    Unless your the same dude who I overheard saying he doesn't like Sanchez recently, and then he went on to have 3 4th quarter comebacks in the past month. That dude feels like a dick too.
     
  10. JCotchrocket

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    "In English, please."

    ""S'cuse me?"

    "In English, please."

    "Hammedafugeykeyscogsugga, whaddafug."
     
  11. Zach

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    Indeed. I thought that was something else until I saw the replay.

    Anyway, I was expecting more of this:

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...ook-Eli-Manning-on-Plaxico-Burress?r_src=ramp

    Same logic, different approach. Hard fake outside, then turn inside for easy slant - that was my call. Here, Plax goes with hard fake inside, then fade outside.
     
  12. Zach

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    That I think falls on Schotty.

    More specifically:

    1. Not enough underneath receiving option in his calls

    2. (This is critical. I mean it) Multiple receiver in a same vicinity. WTF!?

    Either way, you can't fault Sanchez for that. I am sure Peyton will suck under Schotty's play calls. I guarantee it. Favre proved it already
     
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  14. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    On the goaline with the pass to Keller that failed. If you notice, Cotch runs the same route 7 feet behind him.

    I don't understand that play. I'm not even trying to be a Schotty hater right now.


    Why would you have two receivers run the same route with one behind another?
     
  15. Zach

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    If you noticed from past few games (say, even with Favre, if you want to go back that far) you'd easily find the QBs having to sqeeze the ball in a real tight window (1) and there are at least 2 WRs in a near vicinity (2). This Browns game was, for the most part, a far outlier type of aberration that is not a typical pass play call renowned for Schotty. As I recall, at LEAST two of Favre INTs *that he threw over the middle* were picked off in that pattern - or that's about as much as I saw with my own eyes in one game.

    If you watch all of these proficient passing attack teams, you will easily notice that NOBODY places two (or more) receivers near each other, giving defense a break.
     
  16. NDmick

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    I remember Sanchez's 4 INT day against the Pats seeing the same thing. The Bodden pick 6 had Cotch and I think Smith in the same area 5 yards from one another.

    I'd say the receivers are fucking up the playcall, but I see it way too often.

    I really don't think its a good idea. Unless the thinking behind it is that the safety has to pick one WR to help out on, and you pick the other matchup - but I don't like that thinking either.
     
  17. Zach

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    It's not just a "not a good idea" - it is a TERRIBLE idea to let two (or more) receivers in a same vicinity. This means one defender can leave whoever he was guarding, and close up toward the QB, knowing he alone can kill most of the passing lane for two WRs. It is a playcall 101 kind of thing - NEVER leave two receivers in a same vicinity. That's like the very first thing you learn as an offense.

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    This is the last disturbing trend of Schotty; once he finds something working, he rides that pattern to the ground. Our famous example is, of course, the slant. Remember Favre game against the Titans? The quick 3-step drop worked very well - so Schotty keeps calling it, to the point where the DBs were jamming Coles physically at the line, but Favre threw at him anyway, only to get it tipped and intercepted. Maybe that is Favre (my gut feeling says it's 50:50) but then my second thought is, couldn't Schotty vary the patterns in his play calls at all? Did he have to stick to slant over his dead body? (And this is just one example - there are quite a few more like this.)
     
  18. Zach

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    It's not just a "not a good idea" - it is a TERRIBLE idea to let two (or more) receivers in a same vicinity. This means one defender can leave whoever he was guarding, and close up toward the QB, knowing he alone can kill most of the passing lane for two WRs. It is a playcall 101 kind of thing - NEVER leave two receivers in a same vicinity. That's like the very first thing you learn as an offense.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    This is the last disturbing trend of Schotty; once he finds something working, he rides that pattern to the ground. (This means, he NEVER uses those successful working plays to set up something else in his game at all.) Our famous example is, of course, the slant. Remember Favre game against the Titans? The quick 3-step drop worked very well - so Schotty keeps calling it, to the point where the DBs were jamming Coles physically at the line, but Favre threw at him anyway, only to get it tipped and intercepted. Maybe that is Favre (my gut feeling says it's 50:50) but then my second thought is, couldn't Schotty vary the patterns in his play calls at all? Did he have to stick to slant over his dead body? (And this is just one example - there are quite a few more like this.)
     
  19. ace_o_spades

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    We never ran a fade all day either
     
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