Kyle Orton is NOT the problem in Denver...just saying. In fact, I'd take Orton over Sanchez at the moment. The future will probably change that opinion...hopefully
the problem in denver is simple hiring of a poisoned fruit of the poisoned belichick cheating tree Crennel, Weis, Mangini, McDaniels = DUDS
I'm too lazy to search for it, but I believe there's a thread about re-hiring Mangini after Cowher turned us down.
Has anyone heard of any bad blood between Holmgren and Mangini? I haven't, they may actually figure out how to get it to work together in cleveland. Mangini has his quarks but he can coach. We were definately better off when he left, than when he got here. Well talent wise at least. Rex has taken us to the next level but it's hard to say that Mangini is a bad overall coach.
Interesting thread. Football is fucking brutal....no bout a doubt it. The difference between the great meltdown of 08 and 09? Fortune. Same record....nearly identical stretches of ugly football...and QB's that threw up a ridiculous amount of picks. Obviously even fans as impatient as New York fans would have given the rookie head coach and rookie QB a pass if they didn't get lucky and get a lot of help to get into the playoffs last year... So no that's not where I'm going here... I just wonder what would have happened if that 9-7 2008 team had made the playoffs and won a couple of them?
lol yeah but we would be sitting on a mediocre coaching staff that had no chance of taking the team to a superbowl wasting another season.
Weis and Crennel are good coordinators, sure. But none of them (and you can add Nick Saban to that list, by the way) has what it takes to be a successful NFL Head Coach. The way some people in this thread are praising Eric Mangini, you'd never think that he's lost twice as many games as he's won in Cleveland.
good work pulling this out. aldorow is simultaneously the most arrogant and the most ignorant poster on these boards so it's always fun to dust off his nuggets and laugh at how completely wrong he is all the time. He is the ultimate contra-indicator.
Bill Bellicheck was a horrible coach for the Cleveland Browns. A lot can be learned from failing and having a chance to start over in a new job with a change of scenery. Even if Mangini really does end up succeeding and this is not a dluke, does not mean he ever would have succeeded with the Jets if we kept him on.
The way most people bash Mangini you'd think he didn't build our team into a contender. Also, he inherited a 4-12 Cleveland team and went 5-11, you have to give a motherfucker some time to right the ship.
