I'm sorry. I'm die hard NYJ. But how the fuck can anyone pick on the Giants right now? They are beating teams they should but they are blowing them out. The Jets haven't done above since Week 2. The Giants are playing better right now.
agreed. Once we get a comfortable lead in the division, we can worry about beating out the AFCN division leader for home field. But if we can't win our division, the best seed we can get is 5th.
they also need to have a better record than the Bills, does that mean you were rooting for the Ravens to beat the Bills last weekend to keep them 4 games behind the Jets? yes, the Jets do need a better records than the Fins and they have it, and would have it if the Fins won. But the Jets need to have a better record than the Ravens as well, and don't have the luxury of a tie breaker agianst them the way they can have against the Fins. but this team isn't playing just for the division, they are playing for the Super Bowl and best record in the fucking league, and to do so they need the teams ahead of them to lose, and that starts with the Ravens since they already beat us. at no point in the rest of the season will a Dolphin loss be more important than a Ravens loss. if you can't tell at this point the Fins are an average team and aren't a legit threat, I don't know what team you are watching. you just made my point. if the Jets take care of business the next few weeks, and the Fins lose one, had they won yesterday they would still end up two games behind us. now they will simply be three games. but we are still trailing the Ravens by a game. there is no way being three games ahead of the Fins is more important than the Jets trailing the Ravens by a game. the Jets would be far better off being a game ahead of the Ravens and only two ahead of the Fins. the idea that the Jets are better off being multiple games in front of the third place team but a game behind any other team in the league for home field is simply delusional. being worried about the Fins is a crazy as being worried about the Bills. just because they are in our division doesn't mean it is more important for the Jets that they lose than a non-divisional opponent.
You can't knock the Giants ... they're looking very good, and I would be concerned if we had to play them on Sunday. It's true they lost to Tennessee and Indy ... but to be fair ... We're 1-2 against the only 3 good teams we've played (Balt / GB / NE) and we just went life-or-death against the Detroit Lions. Don't sleep on the Giants. They're a good football team with a good head coach. I hope we see them in February. And ... my 2 cents on the Miami / Baltimore debate ... I hate the fins with a passion and I can never root for them actively, so I have to admit I was enjoying the ass-whipping they were getting yesterday ... but in the big picture, it would definitely have been better for us if the Ravens blew that game. No question about it. Even if we don't win the division (but I'm confident we will) we would be losing to the Pats, not the Dolphins ... so even in that case, a loss by the Ravens would have been better looking at it from a Wildcard pov. The Dolphins are a mediocre non-factor, but the Ravens are our daddy right now
They have a easy schedule all year. They could honestly be 14-2 with their schedule, as long as they can take the Eagles. (which I'm hoping they can't) My hope is still that the Eagles will beat them twice, and the Packers. Other then those games they should win everything else. Eagles are 1 game behind them and have 2 games left with them to play. Eagles also have a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way.
no, I got the point, it is just a bad one. if being two games up on the Fins is so important, and the Fins are expected to lose a game in the next couple of weeks and we take of business, they will be two games back regardless of whether they won yesterday or not. not to mention the fact that the Jets get to play them again. had the Fins won yesterday it would have no perceivable negative consequences going forward unless they automatically become a better team than they have shown to be. that seems unlikely. the Ravens, on the other hand, essentially have a one game lead on the Jets. we need them to lose because they will effect the Jets seeding, whether it is as a division winner or the wild card. at this point the Jets are playing for seeding, unless they collapse, so that seeding has to be the focus. what they aren't competing for is the division against the Fins. Patriots, yes. Fins, no. they are as big a threat to the division as the Bills. I'm not the one missing the point if that isn't grasped.
not according to the logic in this thread. a Steelers win is as irrelevant to the Jets as a Ravens win yesterday since it is too early to be concerned with playoff seeding. all that matters is winning the division.
For what it's worth, as I said in my last post, I agree with you JetBlue. The Ravens are very good and we need them to lose whenever possible. The Dolphins are a very mediocre football team and I'm really not worried about losing a playoff spot to them.
not even close. but answer a question, were you rooting for the Ravens to beat the Bills or the Bills to beat the Ravens? repeating I don't get the point when I clearly do doesn't change that. the idea that it is more important for division opponents to lose than seeding opponents is ludicrous, unless you will say it was more important for the Jets at this moment that the Ravens beat the Bills than the Bills beat the Ravens. are you going to say that? if not, you are revealing that there are situations when it is more important for a non-divisional opponent to lose than a divisional opponent, and yesterday would clearly be one. so answer the question. you answer one way, you are hypocritical. you answer another way, you simply look foolish. I'll leave it up to you.
I understand your reasoning, i think most people on here understand it, but your getting a lil ahead of yourself I think. This, this right here is why I dont agree with you, just seems to me like its a pretty bold statement even if they arent playing well, they arent horrible, who knows teams click in the 2nd half the season, but i guess weve never seen that before.
If you want to try and draw a parallel between an 0-7 division opponent and a 4-3 division opponent then that's on you. If you want to compare a game between two non-divisional opponents with one having a very good record and the other not to the scenario being discussed here then that's on you. You know better, you're trying to make a ridiculous "logical" argument that green=boogers. The point is that things can change very quickly in this league and it's too early to start rooting for division opponents with reasonable records to beat another team because we may be challenging them for a bye at some point. An injury here or there or one team getting hot and another getting cold and we could be fighting it out with the Fins for the division instead of the Ravens for a bye. It's really that simple. Any dunce can look at the standings and see where things stand if the playoffs started in a week. No shit. They don't. Half the season is left and too much is still up in the air.
the problem is your criteria also applies to the Dolphins, yet you aren't applying it to them to defend your argument. had the Jets lost they would have been two games behind the Ravens, and your position to root against the Dolphins was regardless of whether the Jets won or lost, so you had to anticipate that possibility. so, if it is too early to be worried about a two game deficit for home field, it is too early to care about a 2 game lead on the Dolphins, which would make rooting for any team moot. the moment you root for another team to win or lose for the benefit of the Jets your reasoning comes into play. everything you mentioned could happen to the Dolphins, and they could go on a 5 game losing streak, making this one loss irrelevant. but by your argument it is simply too early to tell, so why root for anyone at all. we won't know if everything worked out this week to the Jets favor until the end of the season, which would make this entire topic worthless unless we are speculating, and reasonable speculation can only be done with projecting forward what we know, not making up possibilities of what we don't. that's fantasy, not projecting. so, yes, we don't know, so all that is left is looking at the quality of the teams as is now and projecting that forward, and projecting forward you are only left with realizing the Ravens are less likely to lose more games going forward than the Dolphins, so it benefits the Jets that the Ravens lose every possible game they play now, even against our divisional rivals, especially since we still play the Dolphins and can send them back another game with a Jets win anyways. and just like being able to dismiss an 0-7 division team from being important, you can easily regard a winning non-divisional opponent if it is based on reasonable criteria.
The differance here is your argument involves both sides, the Jets need to make the playoffs for your argument to even be relevant, which is why its not "ludicrous" as you say at the midpoint in the season to worry about a division rival who is only 2 games behind us. Should I quote your bold prediction again? The differance between the 2 arguments is that you have completely disregarded what some of us still see as a possible threat.
The fundamental problem with your argument is that no matter what, we have to beat the Fins out to win the division. Whether the Ravens have any impact on the Jets playoff seeding is unknown. Any reasonable person would be able to see the big difference between a .500 team and team that hasn't won a damn game. Go back and look at league history and tell me how many 0-7 teams made the playoffs. I'll bet the answer is zero. Now go look at how many 4-3 (or even 4-4) teams made the playoffs. Go look at how many 6-2 teams missed the playoffs. Just last year we saw a team start out 6-0 and miss the playoffs.
we also have to beat the Bills, that doesn't mean a win or two here and there by other one is a direct threat to the Jets. going into the week the Jets had a 1.5 game lead on the Fins, and another game against them. simply assuming the Jets beat the Fins when they play next, that means for the other 7 games of the season the Jets essentially have a 2.5 game lead on the Dolphins. even if the Jets only went 4-3 in those 7 to finish 11-5, to make up the 2.5 games the Dolphins would have to go 7-0. and finish 12-4 to beat out the Jets. in that scenario, had the Fins beaten the Ravens and only lost more game this season, to the Jets, they would have to go undefeated the rest of the season. that's with the Jets only finishing 11-5. now you tell me whether that is something that we should be reasonably concerned about. if the Jets don't finish 11-5 we aren't winning the division so this whole "hafta stay ahead of the Dolphins no matter what" nonsense becomes moot because we wouldn't be competing solely for the wild card with them anyways. I don't think the Jets are only finishing 11-5, and I certainly don't expect them to lose to the Dolphins at home this season. call me crazy for actually considering multiple factors other than "they is 4-3 and in our division" to come to a conclusion. how insane that is.
All these assumptions - you're assuming we will beat the Fins? You're assuming it will take an 11-5 record to win the division? If I take those things for granted then maybe I would be more willing to root for the Fins to beat the Ravens. I don't, why would I? What record should I assume the Ravens will end up with to make your argument more sound? What about the Pats? What should we all assume there record will be? Why not just tell us the assumed standings at the end of the season and we'll go from there.
