So you quote England as an example of why socialised medicine doesn't work, then when you're told that it does by people who live there you claim that it doesn't reflect on how it would work in the US? You're funny. You should see if you can get yourself a Republican nomination, now that O'Connell is finished I hear Palin's looking for another idiot to stop her looking like the bluntest knife in the block.
You're the fool. I'm just supposed to take your word for it? I mean you said it's good so I'm supposed to believe it? This guy would disagree with you as would many other articles you can find online. http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2009/07/20/what-socialized-medicine-looks-like-in-england/ The problem is you've probably lived with crappy healthcare your entire life so you have no clue what good healthcare means.
Are you saying we have good healthcare? I live and work in America and my healthcare situation sucks, I have a good job, and my family has been really healthy. Thousands gets taken out of my paycheck each year and that amount has increased every year for the past 5 years. I have massive copays and deductibles - they too have increased. I can put money into a cafeteria plan but if I don't use it I lose it. Billing is a web of paperwork and confusion. If anyone in my family gets really sick, our doctor has to await pre-approval from the insurance company before I can begin any course of treatment. I then get to worry about some twerp jerkoff fresh out of high school denying me coverage because he gets paid incentives to rat fuck me out of coverage that I have been paying for decades. To pay that little jerkoff and all of the administrative bullshit makers, it costs $50 for a goddamn aspirin. Great system we have here and I'm soooooo glad we don't have no socialist Obama health care system that would eliminate all of the bullshit. Shit, they might give me 'colored' blood if I were in Canada or England! Makes me proud to be an American to not have to stoop to that level. USA! USA! USA!
Our system of healthcare sucks... there is no denying that at all. A lot of us are trapped in the same sort of situation, or being priced out of healthcare - which makes it ludicrous that the govt is now going to force me to HAVE to buy it. But all that said, you are out of your mind if you think a govt run healthcare system is going to be much better. I can't name one thing that runs efficiently that the govt has its paws all over. Not one thing. And nothing about this suggests that our costs are going to be any better. I will believe that when I see the pigs flying.
What idiotic study said England's system of medicine doesn't work? Scratch that, what idiotic study says socialized medicine doesn't work?
The Federal Government should not be in healthcare anymore than they should be in education. You've nailed it with this response. With that being said I've never had any problems getting the healthcare I need. Yes, it's a messed up system that could use a huge overhaul, but involving the Federal Government is not the answer.
Socialized Medicine Excels at Death by Ben Domenech By now we all know America’s new, recess-appointed head of Medicare and Medicaid, Donald Berwick, once described his affection for Britain’s National Health Service (NHS), for whom he was a leading consultant, as “romantic.” He said, “I love it” and has branded the system a “global treasure” while deriding U.S. health care. One wonders what Berwick’s reaction would be to the announcement of new reforms for the NHS, described in UK newspapers as a sweeping pro-market agenda designed to make the oft-criticized system more accountable and increase the authority of family doctors. And what he thinks of a report last week in The Independent that the UK has spent millions of pounds on gag order deals to keep doctors from telling the full story about how bad patient care is under the NHS. Although not as significant as the newspapers claim, these new reforms chip away at a system Berwick helped build and sees as a model for the United States. They mark a rejection of Berwick’s profound distrust of the ability of consumers to make choices in the free market and his insistence on regulation and management by unelected bureaucrats. “Please don’t put your faith in market forces,” Berwick said. “It’s a popular idea that Adam Smith’s invisible hand would do a better job of designing care than leaders with plans can. I do not agree. I find little evidence anywhere that market forces, bluntly used, that is, consumer choice among an array of products with competitors’ fighting it out, leads to the health care system you want and need” (emphasis added). The real-world outcomes of Berwick’s “global treasure” are appallingly poor. The NHS’s system of state-controlled rationing turns treatable diseases into death sentences. UK cancer survival rates are near the bottom for all of Europe according to the first worldwide study of cancer survival rates (published two years ago in Lancet Oncology). Women who contract breast cancer there have a 46 percent mortality rate, compared with only 25 percent in the United States. Only 19 percent of American men who get prostate cancer die of it, but in Britain it kills 57 percent. The U.K.’s overall cancer mortality rate is more than 38 percent higher than America’s. These are real people who are dying unnecessarily thanks to the “global treasure” Berwick wants to institute here. Incapacitated NHS patients in need of hip surgery must wait nearly 11 months, while those hoping for knee surgery wait nearly 12 months. Typical wait times in the United States for such procedures are less than one month. Three years ago, Britain’s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) decided the system would only reimburse an innovative but costly new treatment to restore sight for the elderly if a patient was already completely blind in one eye (one being enough, according to the Leaders with Plans). And in a letter to The Daily Telegraph last year, leading health experts claimed terminally ill NHS patients are being falsely categorized as “close to death” in order to justify cutting off life support—which is, after all, awfully expensive. These hideous problems are rendered even more disturbing by the fact that Britons who go outside NHS and purchase their own drugs and treatment are forever banned from using the system their taxes pay for. It’s important to understand that from the perspective of those like Donald Berwick, this is a feature, not a bug. He says the best way to an efficient, humane health care system is “rational collective action overriding some individual self-interest.” This is fine, I suppose, as long as the “individual” being overruled is someone else, ideally someone you don’t know. The American people are smart enough to recognize such centrally managed systems are dangerous and foolhardy. A recent Rasmussen poll reported 75 percent of U.S. residents believe the free market is a better choice than government management of the economy. It’s true that the current U.S. health care system, with its government-encouraged third-party payer systems, is confusing and difficult to navigate. But the answer is not more government intrusion; it’s a healthy dose of Adam Smith, of pro-market reforms that give doctors and patients real choices. Berwick and his big-government allies can take solace in one new statistic. This month the Economist Intelligence Unit found that, thanks in large part to the abundant provision of painkillers, the NHS ranks at the top in one category: quality of death. It’s nice to be good at something, after all.
Ben Domenech (born December 31, 1981, Jackson, Mississippi) is an American conservative writer and blogger who co-founded the RedState group blog. In March 2006, he was hired to write a conservative blog for washingtonpost.com but resigned after three days amid allegations of plagiarism during his college years. Well at least we are using reputable sources!
Yeah, another well thought out response. Do you actually having any facts that prove him wrong? But in case you still don't believe the guy try reading this. I warn you ahead of time you're not gonna like their solution because it's actually in line with the Constitution. http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/singlepayer.pdf
Fact. I and all my family members lived in this sort of system. I've required 3 surgeries in 6 years. All free and went perfectly. My dad just had knee surgery, my mom has had countless problems. All of which as been covered under our fine and beautiful health care. I've never had to worried about anything. FACT.
Wow, I guess this proves the system works. Just don't get cancer. Oh, and fact. My family has had numerous health issues and surgeries over the years and never had any problems with care. Fact. My brother had a ruptured aorta and should be dead, but he's not. Fact. I guess that means America's system is even better. Seriously, do you even think before you post things?
But a plagurist told me it was bad, it must be!! I refuse to accept the opinions of people who live with the system, only of a former satirist who was so bad at his job he had to copy someone elses' work. And the constitution can suck my dick. You can fucking twist that to conform with any fucking ideal.
How does it not proove our system works? We need to get help, we get it, and we get it free. So you're saying you've got insurance? Grats! What about the millions of others who don't? Fuck em! They don't pay huge premiums, why the fuck should we help them? All the doctors are mine! FACT: I broke my finger when I was 8, and I was waiting for so long in an understaffed and crowded ER that my finger set and now my finger has a painful bulge in it and does not bend all the way. Since my family had no insurance, it cost well over $1500 for a broken finger. In the USA. FACT. FACT: I broke my finger when I was 25, and I was sitting in the waiting room for about 20 minutes. I got my xrays done, my finger set and my hand casted in under and hour and a half. I had several visits with a specialist to ensure the hand was repairing. I also got physical therapy for the hand, so that I would have full function of the finger. Since Canada has central health care, all of this, including my therapy and specialist, cost me $35 bucks. DR note and cast materials. FACT
How much did that all cost you? And what does cancer have to do with any? We have one of the best cancer treatment facilities in the world located in our city. Numerous friends of mines mothers' have been diagnosed with breast cancer over the past 10 years, all of which are now healthy. My old football coach had kidney cancer and he was ok, even though it spread, they still managed to treat him. I could really care less what you believe in, there's a reason your country is suffering so much.
