As a fan watching the game....I didnt have a problem with the less running than usual pattern that set up because I kept telling myself "you cant keep punting or giving the ball away....the Packers will eventually get one on the board". That didnt happen. The defense never let it happen but history tells you eventually it would. There was a sense of panic that the Jets needed to get on the board. Thats the way I felt the entire game...and was wrong. It wasnt the play calling but the plays. I have never seen a team with so much speed at receiver and tight end throw so many squeeze patterns. There is no movement, like the pass Holmes dropped that would have been a touchdown. Those routes are rare with this team. Its drilling passes into tight zones 90% of the time. Been that way for several years now. You have Keller, who is a beast, running button hook patterns...and not enough patterns that set him free in the playoffs last year.
I think that had to do with the pressure, which is fine. I'm a big fan of slant routes. I love them. When the protection held up, Sanchez went downfield... and the pass was dropped half the time. I don't think there was a sense of panic. But I don't think there was any rhythm for comfort in the offense. When that happens, you go back to basics. Extra OL on the line, and knock them off the ball. Get me to 3rd and 3-5 by running it twice. Be the New York Jets the Rex envisions.
Yards after the catch have always been a problem under schotty no matter who the receivers are. I follow you about slant routes but that makes it sound like I wanted him to go down field more...that really isnt my complaint. He did go down field on the sidelines and yes...to cotch too over the middle. Its just movement off the ball. Wes Welkers patterns are not down field patterns. They are usually with 5 yards off the line of scrimmage. Keller is rarely used that way (as are any of the receivers)unless its down field. His routes are, almost always on 3rd and shorts, to the first down marker and turn around. Maybe sense of panic is too strong a term...all I know is I felt the Jets needed to score because with a 3-0 lead...one touchdown by the Packers and 2 scores seemed like it would never happen. I just never felt like they needed to pound the ball more. I was probably wrong now looking back at it...but it never felt that way.
Frankly, though, I have wondered where that sophomore-slump obsession came from. Last time I checked on a few quarterbacks, they didn't do worse in their second season - rather, they showed a marked improvement over their first year starting. That includes Michael Vick. MICHAEL VICK! Maybe Sanchez is not the QB we all thought he will be, or there's something seriously wrong with this offensive system.
Our run game was not effective because GB loaded up in the box. daring us to pass. Our pass game wasn't effective because receivers dropped too many passes, and strong wind gusts.
Get this straight. Loading up the box is NOT the panacea against running. I repeat - loading up the box will NOT solve your run defense woes all the time. So what went wrong? Jets ran two types of runs exclusively - inside trap and what else was it? - ALL FUCKING GAME. That's how you get stuffed. A few other pointers: 1. There are a lot more running routes than simple run-up-the-gut pattern. i.e. counter, toss, pitch. With a runningback with a vision of LdT, you may create more seams than just one - and allow him to cut back once in a while too. Finally, Off-guard runs (or any runs through a gap) is not the only viable running lane either. There's this thing called off-tackle too for instance. 2. Inefficient passing game - that was something I wanted to mention too actually. With Dom Capers calling the defensive shots, you had to KNOW they will bring a lot of zone blitzing. What neutralizes the zone blitzing? Yes. Screen pass does. Which Schotty just NEVER calls.
GB dressed extra DL to purposly stop the run, and force Sanchez to pass. Unfortunately, the Jets have been unable to grasp the concept of how to run a screen pass. It's been that way for decades. They rarely call the screen because they don't run it well.
memory serves we ran 4 screens. one dropped by greene, one was poorly thrown by mark to LT, one greene caught for about 10-12 yards and one LT got and went nowhere...
They ran a few screen passes Sunday, 2 of them were poorly executed and wound up as incompletions. Pretty much everything they did offensively was poorly executed. I have a really hard time putting much blame on Schotty for this one, even if he did call some stupid bullshit. They were stacking the box and Schotty was calling plays that put receivers in positions to score EASY TD's. They didn't execute.
I'm not saying I disagree, but we ran it 22 times for like 75 yards. Under 3.5 per carry. GB did a good job stopping the run, and if it weren't for the 5 drops and 2 INT's that should have been completions, they did not defend our pass all that well. I'm not going to kill the CS for the play calling this time.
This. For the same reason, I hate when bad teams get attention for having a secretly good defense only because teams don't respect their offense enough to take any risks on offense.
If the receivers catch half of what they should've we win. If Folk makes that FG there it changes the whole dynamic of the game, we would've been tied 3-3, and the way our defense was playing we could've just kicked another FG when we had the chance and it's game over. I think if we tied it up there we would'e seen the running game much more. Even if the backs are averaging 3.5 YPC, do that 3 times and it's a first down. It was just a unlucky day, stupid penalties, calls not going our way, not getting some calls that we should've, and players playing uncharacteristically to themselves.
I completely agree we gave up on the run way to easily. I didnt understand it at all. I do agree that our running backs didnt perform praticularly well in that they went down on first contact or got tripped up, still doesnt excuse a lack of actual running plays
Jets find when Brian Schottenheimer strays from calling run plays against Packers, of "Rex Ryan's commitment to excellence should come with its own moniker: "Just Run, Baby." For all the new offensive toys at the Jets' disposal, their temptation to stray from their ground-and-pound roots has been evident at times this season. Look no further than last Sunday's shutout loss to the Packers when the Jets inexplicably deviated from their rushing hallmark. The result was one ugly goose egg. Ryan and some of the players cited untimely penalties for forcing offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer's play-calling hand. However, the Jets had plenty of chances to ground and pound the Packers into submission. They simply chose not to. "(The Packers) did a good job with eight or sometimes nine guys coming down there to play the run," Ryan said. That's hardly surprising. Every opponent loads up the box against the Jets. Most of the time, it doesn't matter. The offensive line has a track record of paving the way for high rushing totals no matter how many defenders it needs to block. The Jets opted not to attack a Green Bay defense that ranked in the bottom third of the league against the run. Excluding the final two meaningless snaps of the game, two reverses and a fake punt, the Jets had an eye-opening 62:38 pass-to-run split in a game that it trailed by one possession for all but the final 32 seconds. Schottenheimer dialed up 21 pass plays in the first half alone. On the other hand, LaDainian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene had 12 carries for 36 yards in the first two quarters. (Brad Smith had one Wildcat run). All this from a team with the league's second-best rushing attack at 159 yards per game. The Jets committed three penalties on seven first-half drives that created 1st-and-15, 2nd-and-15 and 1st-and-20 situations. "As a play caller, it changes how you call plays at that point," right tackle Damien Woody said of the penalties. "I think that right there dictated (Schottenheimer's) play-calling as far as the run game is concerned." Despite trailing only 3-0 at halftime, the Jets continued to air it out in the second half. (They committed two penalties after intermission, by the way). Tomlinson and Greene combined for 10 carries for 40 yards in the second half. Sanchez threw it 18 times in the third and fourth quarters. The influx of pass-catching threats has turned the Jets into a more balanced offense than a year ago when it was ground and pound 59% of the time. Through seven games, the Jets have only seven more runs than passes. As the weather turns colder and the Meadowlands winds kick up, the most effective strategy may be to lean on arguably the best run-blocking line in the league. It'll be up to Schottenheimer to simplify the offense without making it predictable. "I think we're going to be who we are," Ryan said. "We're not going to change who we are one bit." On Sunday, the Jets should be able to expose a Lions defense that ranks 27th in the league against the run (130.4 ypg). Then again, the Packers were vulnerable, too. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/11/03/2010-11-03_gangs_losing_ground.html#ixzz14EHsocsb" Looks like Manish agrees-
even worse keller is being used less. I never thought Holmes addition would be a bad thing but its been more counterproductive than productive. were only 3 games into his year here but I prefer us running more Greene barely gets carries and im getting sick of it. they feed him the ball like 8 times and if his YPC isnt over 4 its like he dissappears
Well at least Greene will be fresh. When the stacked 8-9 in the box last year, TJ was able to barrel through. LT is a different type of runner, that's why we saw him get tripped up so much. Shonn should be in there when they're stacking the box, at least he can barrel people over like TJ did.
