They run, they win.

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  1. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    The Jets are a running team.

    This is no secret. Its the foundation, the philosophy, the bread and butter of the offense.

    Then why are there games where the Jets are throwing the ball when they aren't down by two possessions in the 2nd half?

    Allow me to show you what I mean:

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    When the Jets do not give the majority of the offensive plays to the running game, they do not win decisively. It still boggles me that in a monsoon, Sanchez threw the ball 44 times when the Jets never lost the lead. Allow that to sink in.

    The Green Bay game did not call for nearly 60% passing when you are down by a FG and your QB is not close to being in a rhythm. It goes against everything the Jets want to do as an offensive team.

    Sanchez is in his 2nd year. The same rules should apply now as they did in January.

    The Jets need to get back to the philosophy that gets them wins.
     
  2. roboz08

    roboz08 Well-Known Member

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    i agree. i thought i was gonna have nervous breakdown sunday screaming at my tv as to why they didn't give shonn greene the ball more. and all those first down throws, wtf was that all about?
     
  3. Jetfan76

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    They tend to give up on the run way too fast.After their first few runs dont net many yards they seem to go into panic mode and get pass happy.They were playin sunday like they were down by 14 instead of by a field goal.
     
  4. Twombles

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    That table doesn't really support your point. We should have won at Baltimore or lost against Denver and the Vikes if that was true.
     
  5. johnnysd

    johnnysd Well-Known Member

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    It's just not that simple. And running 50 times a game is a losing proposition. Period. The Jets need balance especially early so that they have the opportunity to ground and pound. Coming out and running on every first and second down is a recipe for losts of 3rd and longs and losing games. Period.
     
  6. BadgerOnLSD

    BadgerOnLSD Banned

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    He said they don't win decisively, not that they don't win.
     
  7. Twombles

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    Still, he cryptically hid a message in the thread title somewhere.
     
  8. Mantana Soss

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    Correlation does not imply causation.

    We don't win because we run more, we run more because we win.

    We didn't have the lead in either loss.

    I absolutely HATE the Carries/Wins stat I see on TV all the time for this reason.
     
  9. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    we didnt run against green bay because our run game was not effective against green bay. and because we were down almost the entire game.
     
  10. Rockefella

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    I too would like to see more rushing plays but we need to pass the ball effectively in order to keep the defenses honest. If 2/3 of the playcalls are runs there will be 8-9 in the box every play til the jets prove they can throw the ball consistently.

    There have been flashes of brilliance between Sanchez and the receivers but it's tough to point to a game and say: "the jets dominated the game by passing all over their secondary"
     
  11. AbdulSalam

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    we didn't run successfully against GB b/c our OC insists on poor playcalling and overly complex gameplans. When Schotty is left to his own devices and given a bye week he comes up w/a ponderous overly complicated game plan that fails to set up the run. The basic point is that the Jets strength is running the football. Its true. Unfortunately we have an OC who insists on playing away from the team's natural strength and getting way too complicated.
     
  12. BadgerOnLSD

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    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say being down by less than a TD for 90% of the game did not require us to throw 38 times.
     
  13. Jetfan76

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    Yes but only down by three points!
     
  14. plasticsloth

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    I agree that the Jets should run the ball more but in some ways it's hard to blame the playcalling in the green bay game as there were so many dropped passes that would have changed the outcome of the game. Schotty can't control that.
    However, I think he still should have run the ball a lot more in the second half when it was clear that Sanchez and the wide-outs were not in a rhythm.
     
  15. NDmick

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    I said decisively for a reason.

    When the Jets run their type of football, they are highly successful.

    and it wasn't cryptic. The Jets passing game has to be complimentary. Its not the time to air it out. Its prevalent that the game plan has to be simple and ruthless, similar to what the Titans run minus the verticality of their passing game.
     
  16. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    It was a mirror game plan of the Seattle game in 08.

    Down by 3? Let's air it out like they are down by 10 with 6 minutes left.

    I don't think its correct. I don't think its what Rex wants, and I don't think it will work with who is behind center due to experience. He's not ready for the offense Schotty wants to run. He is more than efficient in the offense Rex wants. I saw the offense Rex wants in January, on the road. The Jets have upgraded their RBs and WRs, and the TE has improved as well. Run the January offense, and the non-TD games just might disappear.
     
  17. Darth Vader

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    Maybe we run a lot WHEN we are winning decisively.

    Maybe the table has it backwards.
     
  18. NDmick

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    For the exception of the Bills and Pats games, the games have been one possession games.

    There wasn't really any time for garbage time clock killing.

    I'm pointing out how when this team does what its designed to do, the results seem to be wins.

    When the machine is programmed to not do what it does best for a particular game, things get more difficult.

    Maybe I did a bad job at explaining what I got out of the chart. I see that Rex's philosophy works and that Schotty's doesn't. I'm certain they have conflicting ideas of what they want this offense to be, and its at one point going to come to a head. If we show it coming to a head last year, Rex's presence got this shit fixed and they went on to kick ass in January

    I want my January offense back. I didn't see it all October. Even during the DEN and MIN wins I was critical of the philosophy and game plan. It wasn't Jets football. I wanna see what I know has been successful. October was a shitty month for the offense and Schotty. The wins didn't fool me from what I was seeing. 44 throws in the rain when the lead was never lost? 35 times in the Seattle snow? 38 times and never down by a TD? That's not Jets football, that's cutesy at his finest.
     
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    Don't forget that year's KC game as well. We decided to air it out against one of the worst run defenses and ended up just barely winning against a far inferior team.
     
  20. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Brandon Flowers' pick 6. ugh

    I'm a line up and knock them off the ball kind of guy. I'm a Rex Ryan kind of guy and thats why it was an extra christmas day that winter when he was hired for me.

    Schotty doesn't buy his brand. He's not that kind of football mind. I think he'd have tons of success in other systems with a different QB. I think he could produce an amazing college system that would be a farm system for the NFL offensively.

    But he doesn't fit these New York Jets. I can't take it anymore. This team is too talented not to run the system its designed to run.
     

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