Rex Steals a Page From The "Herm Edwards Book Of Game Management"

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  1. Section 227. Row 5

    Section 227. Row 5 Active Member

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    Here's an interesting article from today's Star-Ledger:

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/10/politi_rex_should_have_kept_th.html

    Politi: Rex Should Have Kept That Red Hanky In His Pocket

    Steve Politi/Star-Ledger Columnist

    Jets coach Rex Ryan watches the reply on the big screen as he waits for a ruling on his second challenge of the game, which he lost. Rex Ryan has earned his reputation as a coach who holds nothing back, from his use of four-letter words to his penchant for bold predictions. But who knew that applied to the red challenge flag, too?

    Ryan threw his twice when he should have kept it in his pocket, and then didn’t have it available the one time he needed to use it in the fourth quarter of a close game.

    And, as the Jets sort through the wreckage of this deflating 9-0 loss to the Packers, that’s a good place to start.

    The quarterback was off his game again. The receivers had an epic case of the dropsies. The offensive coordinator failed to get any of his big weapons involved in the game.

    When an offense with this much firepower gets shut out — on its home field — by an injury-riddled defense ranked just 18th in the NFL, there is plenty of blame to go around.

    But this loss falls squarely on the head coach. Ryan has enjoyed one of the longest and most celebrated honeymoons in coaching history, a lovefest from fans and media that has lasted a year and a half.

    He did not have a good day. The man who promised a Super Bowl is looking at a second-place team in the AFC East in large part because he stole a page from the Herm Edwards Book of Game Management.

    A good coach never jeopardizes his final challenge in the first half — and certainly not when the play in question has little chance of getting reversed and, even if it did, the benefits were negligible.

    That was the situation facing Ryan when, on third-and-11 from the Packers 43, cornerback Tramon Williams ripped the ball out of receiver Jerricho Cotchery’s hands on a short pass.

    Ryan threw the red hanky on the field, claiming Cotchery had possession. Replays were inconclusive, but that is only half the point. Even if he won the challenge, the Jets were facing a fourth-and-8.

    The coach said he would have passed up the 58-yard field goal and punted anyway. So why waste the challenge? Why risk exhausting his allotment in the first half of a close game?

    He had already used one on another questionable call — a Brad Smith fumble on the first play of the second quarter — breaking a cardinal rule of coaching: Taking his player’s word for it.

    “I talked to Brad about the first one and he clearly thought he was down,” Ryan said. “We probably shouldn’t have challenged that one because it was too hard to tell, but we felt good about it.

    “On the interception, I clearly thought our receiver had possession of the football, or if worse comes to worse, it’d be dual possession, which is the offensive player’s football.”

    The referees didn’t see it that way, and as is almost always the case, you knew the Jets would regret it. The offense was finally moving when tight end Dustin Keller had the ball ripped from his hands from Green Bay cornerback Charles Woodson.

    It was a huge turnover for the Packers — and a bad call by the refs. Keller was clearly down by contact.

    “It was a very similar play to what happened with Jerricho,” Ryan insisted, referring to the earlier challenge. “It was almost identical. I’m sure it would have been Green Bay’s ball anyway.”

    Alas, the Jets will never know. The failed challenges were only one facet of the Jets’ coaching woes in this one.

    Ryan inexplicably burned all three timeouts on defense with four minutes to go, forcing his offense to go for it on fourth down deep in its own territory on its next drive.

    And there was the fake punt in the first quarter that set up the Packers’ first field goal. Why put the decision in the hands of Steve Weatherford?

    “It was something Steve did on his own,” Ryan said, but it was the head coach who gave him the green light to make the decision.

    Look, the Jets weren’t going to win the rest of their games. Darrelle Revis called the loss “a bump in the road,” and maybe it’ll turn out to be exactly that when the season is over.

    Or maybe it’ll be the loss that determines who wins the division and gets home-field advantage in the playoffs. If that’s the case, the Jets will regret the day that Ryan lived fast and loose with his red hanky.

    Steve Politi: spoliti@starledger.com;Twitter.com/NJ_StevePoliti
     
  2. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I don't blame him for the challenge on the Cotchery play. Winning that in order to punt is not an insignificant thing as the writer suggests, especially in a defensive battle. Turning field position could have been big.

    I do agree with everything else though. This wasn't a good game for Rex. It wasn't a good game for a lot of people.
     
  3. Green Hurricane

    Green Hurricane Footsteps Falco

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    If the refs didn't understand what dual possession was on the 2nd challenge, they probably wouldn't have overturned it on the third play either.
     
  4. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The first challenge was awful and the clock mgmt to end the game was as bad as I have seen in all my time watching the NFL. There was way too much time to use all 3 TOs.
     
  5. Section 227. Row 5

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    I understand what you are saying, but the replay was inconclusive and needed to be conclusive in order to win the challenge. It's the first half, and now you're gambling with your last and final challenge. I think that's his point. Burning the final challenge in the first half on something that could have gone either way (and probably more against the Jets because it has to conclusive to overturn) is clearly a page out of Herm Edwards' Klutz Game Management Book.
     
  6. hazmat

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    I disagree. You can't give up your second challenge to get better field possession at that point in the game. If anything it would have given them 20 or 30 yards of field in the 2nd quarter. Not to mention that once they ruled the play an interception it was never going to be overturned since replay is not allowed to change possession on that type of play. You need to keep the second challenge as long as possible.
     
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    Hindsight is 20/20.
     
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    Funny Pittsburgh did the same exact thing with their 3 time outs last night.....anyone complaining about their clock management?
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I didn't see it but if they did the exact same thing last night they also made a huge mistake.
     
  10. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Well I still don't understand why it wasn't overturned. It looked conclusive to me.

    I get the whole save a challenge thing, and maybe it was better to keep it. Hell, it probably was. Turning the field could have led to points though, and we had none. It also could have helped Nacho's confidence. I didn't see that as a huge mistake.

    Like I said, he I thought Rex didn't do well yesterday, I just disagree with people thinking that challenge was a huge mistake.
     
  11. TommyGreen

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    Why would people here complain about a Pittsburgh clock management gook? I'm sure if you check their message board their fans are probably saying the same thing.

    Rex wasted his timeouts way too early, but it didn't matter because our offense couldn't do anything.
     
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    BadgerOnLSD Banned

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    Rex has a pretty good success rate on challenges, yesterday was an aberration.
     
  13. mj2sexay

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    Regardless of what we think of the usage of time-outs, I love how EVERYONE acknowledges Herm as the headmaster of the school of shitty clock management.
     
  14. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    Biggest mistake Rex made was using his third timeout when he did. Heck, he could have gotten away with using 1 at most. There was still 4 minutes on the clock. You get the ball back with about 2 minutes left and you work it.
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    In that situation I would use one at the most. I porbably would have let the clock go down after 1st and 2nd down. You still get the ball back w/ over 2 mins w/ 2 TOs and we probably could have punted w/ 2 TOs and the 2 mi warning rather than go on 4th and long.
     
  16. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

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    Well, if consistency is a positive, they followed up the clock management debacle from the Vikings game right into this game. Where oh where is Dick Curl when you need him...
     

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