How so? When Walton coached there were 28 teams in the NFL w/ 14 in the AFC, 5 teams made the playoffs from each conference so it was 5 out of 14(36%). Herm coached when there were 16 AFC teams and 6 made the playoffs(38%). the % was slightly greater BUT from '02 on only 2 WC teams made so it was 2 of 12(17%) compared to 2 of 11(18%) making the WC in Walton's years. Oh and Herm led his team to an AFC East Title, Walton never did that. This isn't close.
Huh? Herm took over a team that was in decline, that had ONE playoff win in 14 seasons and missed the playoffs the 2 previous years as coach after coach walked out on us while Walton took over a YOUNG team that was in the AFC Title Game the year before and was a SB favorite the year he took over.
2 is the current record for a Jets HC as sad as that is(shared w/ rex, Weeb and Michaels). I assume Rex will shatter that mark soon though.
Most of the wins Walton had were because he walked into one of the best teams we ever had, right off the AFC Championship game. It didn't help that we had no GM in those years, but the team went on a steady decline with Walton as Michaels' players got older and older, just like we were saying in the O'Brien thread. Herm got us to the playoffs each time he had a healthy QB, in 2002 we don't turn it around with Walton like we did with Herm, Walton would have lost the team like he did a few times in the 80s.
Did you not see the Mickey Mouse operation that showed up after the Parcells crew left? Herm's rah-rah Chief Of Authority Delegation plan worked for some playoff appearances early, but when it came crunch time and head coaching decisions were called for, say, in the playoffs against the Steelers and you tell your QB to take a knee and lose yards for your weak-legged kicker... the comical clock mis-management year after year, and then he even managed to DELEGATE THAT to Dick Curl... ...face it, Herm's teams went as far as Herm's sermons and the Jets' coordinators could take them and no more. He pulled off a magic act, being an ex-player and an assistant for years, but at the end of his career, Herm Edwards was more of a politician than a football coach. edit: and I know that Herm was not immediately placed in position to succeed, and I know that a lot of the problem was Bradway, but at some point if the guy was worth a shit, things may have improved over time. Donnie Henderson gave us a spark when he showed up. But it was only after Cottrell went under the bus for the failed Tampa 2 project.
He took an underachieving team and let it to 3 PO apps in 4 years(the only stretch in our hisory where we made it 3 in 4 years). We did have this little DYNASTY to deal w/ with the Pats in our division so you act like we were playing in the current NFC where it was wide open and we should have won SBs. He certainly had his faults and taking a knee was asinine BUT the Kicker missed a makeable kick and it was miraculous we were in that game against a 15-1 team on the road w/ a QB that had a torn rotator cuff and w/o our best defensive player.
I loved Waltons shit or bust approach to offense, so Joe. When we lost (which wasn't that often ) he always looked like he'd shit his pants
I don't think that Herm was a particularly good coach, but to declare that he did absolutely nothing but delegate to his coordinators without a shred of evidence is asinine. He was the head coach; he deserves the credit for his successes and the blame for his failures.
Parity. Herm's best friend. This is a lot closer than you think. That magical AFC East title you never tire of was won with a total of, wait for it, that's right: 9 Games! Exactly ZERO more than the next TWO runners up. You are absolutely right, no one else ever coached the Jets to that kind of dominance. Next stop, Canton. Come on, man, you know this. Herm doesn't deserve all the abuse he gets on this board, I agree, but he's only significantly better than Walton in one respect: he left when he should have, and Joe didn't.
9 games in a division w/ a last place team that won 8 games. In '85 Walton led us tot he playoffs, the 4th and 5th place teams in our division won a COMBINED 7 games, in '86 when he led us to our only other playoff app the 4th and 5th place teams won a COMBINED 7 games. We may not have needed 11-12 wins to win the division but it was a very competitive division and the biggest reason we only won 9 was b/c we had a million injuries early in the year, once healthy we took off. In herm's era the AFC was the dominant conference, in the 80s the AFC was brutal and dominated by the NFC. The competition was much tougher to make the postseason in the '00s than the mid-late 80s.
Yeah, in Walton's time the Jets, Miami and New England were usually about as good as each other. Coslet had to deal with Buffalo's great teams and Herm/Mangini/Rex have had New England's. It was more open to get to a Super Bowl from the AFC back in the 80s but whoever got there usually got crushed.
I never thought the team gave up on Herm, but they certainly did on Joe Walton, even though Walton's teams had a couple of good years. You hear Jets players from the early-80s era and they are almost unanimous in their praise for Walt Michaels, they seemingly have little regard for Joe Walton. Walton's replacing of Michaels was never a popular move with the players on that team - and that opinion didn't change after having Walton as the head coach.
That decade was frustrating for afc fans. Seems that the top 2-3 teams in NFC every year was capable of blowing out the AFC rep in superbowl.
Walton had the worst support when it came to drafting/GM but his coaching abilities were clearly lacking Herm had the best RB we have had , a good QB and solid WR's and a strong oline and still couldn't coach a game. I will never forget that spineless fucker for his Pittsburgh pussy out and his desperate attempts to get out of NY towards the end. Can I vote for Kevin Arnold?
Walton was there longer, and Edwards had run out his welcome, so if Leon were still the owner and KC had not made their (stupid) offer to Herm, no doubt we would have seen very soon worse results with Herm. I voted Walton because at least he was a decent OC. Herm? Never was a coordinator.
Herm must go I thought Joe Walton was a nice man and a good coach. Herm left a great quote. Players win games not coaches.
I went with Walton, and I'd hire him if I had to hire one....but I'd have the caveat of requiring a Defensive co-ordinator runs the defense
