Rewatched Jets-Phins (Slauson/Wilson)

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    I just finished watching the game again, this time focusing in on Slauson and Wilson, with a bit of Coleman mixed in. A few things:

    - The first quarter for Slauson was perhaps the worst I've seen from an OLineman. I know we moved the ball well, but both his pass and run blocking was absolutely terrible. We all know football is a numbers game. Just having a QB out there, the numbers shift to 11 on 10 essentially. The worst thing you can have happen is to see a lineman or a blocking TE untouched for an entire play. Welcome to 3/4 of Slauson's quarter. Far too many times, the play simply happened around him without him getting a single block or even a chip on a defender. This was tied into a few plays, most notably the Dansby hit on Greene.

    It was a classic Faneca play. LG pulls, hits the GT hole on the right side ahead of the back. The problem is, Slauson looked like he was running sprints. He brushes past Dansby without even a chip, and Greene pays the price. Same thing happens on the Wildcat play with Greene at the QB. Same thing happens on almost every one of what I call 'the Faneca plays'. I'm not suggesting I miss Faneca (more on that in a minute), but they're running plays as though he never left. On almost every single run with a LG pull, Slauson hits no one. I'd assume it's a mental/vision issue and is correctable, but it was sure as hell disheartening to see. The bright side is, when he was actually asked simply to get that first level block, he demonstrated fantastic strength. You could see it on the GL carries especially. He's capable of driving defenders back and holding his own in pass blocking, but the finesse and second level blocking just isn't there.

    In the first quarter, pass blocking was a problem as well. Again, from a numbers standpoint, you hate to see a defender draw a double team. Again Slauson had a tough time even helping to double a guy, let alone draw a single block. The pass blocking, however, improved rather quickly, and was solid for most of the game, with one of those two penalties included (the other was bullshit). He drew single blocks when necessary, and bounced easily between assists when necessary. It was one of his best efforts yet from Q2 - 4, again that one holding call notwithstanding.

    As for Wilson, I really wanted to get a sense of why he's struggling enough to get Coleman the start. I kept an eye on the two of them. Wilson was having severe mental problems early. He had to have his responsibility pointed out by Leonhard and Lowery on a few occasions. The biggest problem, however, has to do with his line play. We all know how valuable Revis' physicality at the line is. We've seen how much better Cromartie is when he plays receivers tight and gets a bump. In today's NFL, when so much depends on timing with receivers, a corner in our system MUST make his presence felt on a receiver. Revis is the best at this. Cromartie is a bit inconsistent, but dominant when he gets that bump. One thing I noticed about Coleman was that he was consistently physical with his receivers, and Henne was able to do nothing with them. I was really impressed by Coleman's physicality.

    Wilson, on the other hand, gave an 8 yard cushion about 75 - 80% of the time, and Henne exploited it. Even when he lined up tight, there was simply no bump within the 5 yards. He was tight at the snap, reacting to Miami's speedy receivers, and was consistently unable to keep up that way. His cushion and delay still left him behind Hartline on deep routes, and left him with zero hope against Bess on the quick slants. Coleman's starting not because he's the better corner but because his style of play better fits what Rex is asking his corners to do on the outside right now. He's going to be on Roscoe Parrish, very similar to Bess, and with safety help to guard against deep routes, he should do a decent job of throwing the timing off on those quick slants.

    Like so many have said, the issues with Wilson are largely experience based. Considering the disadvantage he's giving himself at every snap, he's done a good job in coverage. The problem is...he's giving himself that disadvantage. He needs to learn to play more physically at the line if there's a chance he has to take over that #2 CB spot next season, and I'm sure he will. Until then, he's much better off inside.
     
  2. NDmick

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    Good work.

    I know the Slauson play you mention. I recall thinking "did he not see the orange jersey to his left?" Its all about more experience. I'm very pleased to know Callahan coached his line and made the right adjustment. That great news.

    Did you have the game recorded or did you watch NFL Replay and did the analysis off of there?
     
  3. Royal Tee

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    I can confirm most of what you posted.

    I rewatch every JETS game from that week @ least once a day focusing on different things
    but I'm way too lazy to put up a post with everything...well done.
     
  4. ShutEmDownRevis

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    ^^ wow

    once every day?
     
  5. ukjetsfan

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    Interesting stuff there Iggy, thanks. I have the same concern as you seem to have - the staff should not be calling plays as if Faneca is still in there. I would prefer to see them play more to Slauson's strengths until he develops his skills in other areas, assuming he will.
     
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    @least.

    I will put it on b4 going to bed or in the morning, sometimes both....
    I can't tell you how many times I have seen the playoff game @ SD.
    I have every JETS game from the past 3 years on my HTPC and can watch on demand thru my XBOX or the extender in the bedroom.
     
  7. talisaynon

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    :lol: holy shit it's like we're brothers...

    I too watch Jets games multiple times a week...tried hard to not drop 50 on replay, but folded a day after that patriots win. lol

    And i know what you mean about that SD game. I watched that about 3-4 times a day leading up to the AFC championship.
     
  8. tooooon

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    I watch every game once. I hope that doesnt make me less of a fan. I smell a poll question.
     
  9. jcluttrell

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    I honestly don't understand why some of you all watch the games so much.
     
  10. sg3

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    did you only watch the first quarter of one game (actually, apparently only ONE play) to make your assessment that Slauss is NO GOOD???


    because I have watched ALL three games and isolated on Slauss play and my assessment is that he is just fine, frankly for a guy playing his first season as a starter. I would particularly direct you to the improved pass protection for Sanchez, especially in the second half of the NE game and the Miami game where the highway of pass rushers that used to flow directly through the Faneca turnstile has diminished to a very small trickle.

    I watched the terrific scramble by Mark Sanchez for a touchdown in the second half of the Miami game some 15 times and still have yet to see anything resembling the offensive holding that Home Cookin' Jerome Booger called on Slauss. He barely touches the defensive player and then pushes him past the hole where Sanchez runs through.
     
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    god damnit, never thought i'd ever say this but, maybe we got rid of Faneca a year too soon, i've watched him as well carefully this season and will confirm that indeed, Slauson sucks, so far.
     
  12. vilmatic

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    so we've all watched Slauson and Wilson and come up with totally different opinions. Conclusions?

    I've rewatched both weeks one and two and I am not too disappointed in either Slauson or Wilson. I feel that Wilson has been stymied more by a different standard of officiating than by his talent. Once he knows what they're going to call and not call, he'll be fine. Slauson has had some excellent plays and some poor ones, sounds like inexperience ot me. I'm not praying for his ouster.
     
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    Did you not read his whole post?
     
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    Yeah, I've never watched a game more than once. BTW, great analysis Iggz.
     
  15. AlioTheFool

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    I think exactly the reasons Iggy mentioned are why Slauson and not Faneca or Ducasse is starting.

    No, he can't help a lot with the run game, and looks awful after having Faneca here for recent history. However, he protects Sanchez. And in the end, I'm betting that's all that matters to the coaching staff (and to me as well.)

    As for Wilson, yeah, he needs to get more physical early. As I've said before though, he still covers pretty well for a guy who is only now being moved to where he was supposed to start the year. As he matures mentally I feel confident he'll be very good for us going forward.

    Great breakdown Iggy. I agree though with the guy questioning why people re-watch games. I'm not sure I've ever/I] watched a game twice.
     
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    The CS must have seen some serious issues in Vlad during TC/practices to not even be dressing him. From the preseason games, I didn't see a vast difference between him and Slauson, and, in fact, thought Vlad did a hell of a job run blocking. Both struggle most in pass protection.

    Turner played decently when filling in for Mangold, week 2 - any reason the CS won't try him at G?
     
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    Gee whiz...what the hell do you do in the offseason ?

    I watch every loss once more to see the flaws etc...(using stop action, slo mo etc) those I delete.

    And the wins...I watch'em all week long then transfer them to tape for the offseason.

    No different than watching Seinfeld re-runs or a re-watching a good movie.

    And to be honest...you see a whole lot more, removed from the in the moment atmosphere.....
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    Iggy's analysis had more to do with Slauson not getting on anyone.

    Vlad gets beat straight up in his gap.


    Remember Vlad is coming from a small school and he's a rookie.
    Callahan coached Slauson at a Big time school, and he's got a couple years under his belt.

    There is a huge knowledge difference.
     
  19. fozzi58

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    Cause when they write about things they don't want to post up a bunch of bullshit and get called out on it. Its called - KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    Good analysis IJR.

    My opinion is that they are new to playing in pro games. I know Slaw's been here a couple of years but he didn't play in the RS until this year. Wilson is a rookie.

    As you said, I think both will improve with experience. If the CS & Slaw were aware enough to make changes to improve Slaw's work that much mid-game, imagine how much better he will be with half a season under his belt. He's really only played against 4 defenses up to this point. There a lot more styles of play for him to encounter.

    Wilson I am less worried about - he's a rookie. Game time experience and practicing with DR on the field will improve him a lot.
     
  20. MadBacker Prime

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    Great post, I noticed Wilson play off the receiver quite a bit too just watching live, I can only imagine how it looked when focusing on him.


    Dumb question here, I'm not into college football all that much anymore.

    I know what the rules used to be, but can CB's still bump a WR in college within the first five yards or not? I thought I read a while back this was a problem with the college game, but not sure if it was pertaining to that.
     

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