With Revis - Jets went 0-1 Without Revis - Jets went 2-0 I'm sure he'll do the right thing and give back a percentage of his salary based on the number of games he misses due to his lack of training camp conditioning (his own fault / his own decision).
rhodes blew the coverage on that play btw. anyways, this post is 100% spot on. revis would have made a good difference. I like cro, but to ask him to do what revis does (put him 1 on 1 with the team's best receiver) is a ridiculously hard task on a regular basis. he's the only player who can do this in the league. the thing that makes cro so dangerous on this team is that he's our #2...he's a good, but not great or elite #1 cornerback. and that's the barometer we've had to measure him by...even in the first game because revis was only put on 1 side of the field. when our secondary is fully healthy, including brodney pool being 100%....this team is going to be dangerous in every facet. can't wait till pace, holmes and revis are back in the fold
Last year the Jets weaknesses against the Fins were the run game in the first game and ST's and a deep pass in the second. They lost both of those games despite having Darrelle Revis available for every play. This year the Jets weakness against the Fins was the passing game, because Revis wasn't available. They won the game anyway. Just look at the objective facts. Over the last two years Darrelle Revis presence or absence from the field of play has meant absolutely nothing to the Jets chances to beat the Dolphins. If Darrelle Revis had never been born the Jets would be 1-2 against the Fins over the last two years. They're 1-2 against the Fins the last two years.
I thought Cromartie matched up ok on Marshall because of his size, Marshall is just a great WR. With Revis out there, however they decided to cover it, the other Miami WRs would have had a lot less impact.
good point. his obvious direct impact is in his coverage but the feeling a qb gets when he sees his top receiver wearing a green and white blanket with the #24 on it has to be dissuading
I think you're making a connection that I just don't see. The fact that Revis was there and we lost anyway has nothing to do with why the Jets loss. As you pointed out yourself we lost due to the run defense one game and the ST the other... that's not something Revis can control. Revis can only control his area of the field. It's very possible that if Revis wasn't there in the games last year then the Jets would've lost even worse than they did, and we might have counted the secondary among the reasons why we lost those games. If Revis had never been born, the Jets may never have had a #1 defense in the NFL... in fact I believe the Jets wouldn't have been top 5. The fact of having Revis around solidifies an area of the team and make the team that much more difficult to beat. Yesterday's game was compelling evidence that without Revis the secondary is a liability. Wilson is still a rookie, and while Cromartie is good, he's nowhere near great and can't hold the jock of top receivers in the NFL. In tandem with Revis, Cromartie provides us with an electrifying interception machine who can make plays and potentially take over a game... without Revis, Cromartie is just another overmatched corner in an NFL that is evolving into a passing league. Revis is a team changer. When he's healthy and on the field he affects the entire game by his mere presence. There are probably less than 10 players in the game who have that much impact on the field and he's one of them. The fact that he's a corner and has that impact makes it even all the more impressive. IF the Jets had lost last night then the defense and more specifically the secondary would've been burned at the stake for the way they played. The Jets were one play away from turning in a complete failure of a performance. This was a game that Revis would've influenced greatly had he been there. Yes, we still got the win. But the going for Miami would have been much tougher and possibly the Jets win that much sweeter with Revis there. As it stands without Revis the secondary has to be a concern for the rest of the season. Without Revis, we do not have a secondary that can compete for a Super Bowl.
Revis is a big factor. We can still win without him, but when he's in the game, he makes the entire defense better. :jets:
lets not overreact to the one play revis got beat last week. did we forget just how good revis is? marshall would have been held under 60 yards.
Speaking of which, I'm surprised the Jets haven't made a Revis blanket yet. Would be a great merchandising opportunity. Maybe a Revis Snuggie?
Revis would have made us better, no doubt, but we still would have had issues. It just seemed like Marshall, Bess, and Hartline all were able to get open fairly easily, so even if Revis was in there taking out Marshall, that leaves Bess and Hartline for Cro and Wilson, and they caught their fair share in that configuration last night
We have been incredibly lucky playing without Revis. Our defense has already suffered enough without having him and his issues dog us. The game against the Pats could have easily have become a blow out in the second half. The secondary played over their head in that half though. And now the Dolphins game we had our offense step up. Sanchez helped carry us on Sunday. I hope the douchebag mends up so he can get back on the field and start earning his contract soon before our luck runs out.
I will always look at the Patriots game, a better team than then fins, and say we can win games or sometimes play better without Revis on the field. Last night, even if Revis was in, it would of been a close game. Revis was in last year twice and we lost twice to the fins. Revis ,Revis, Revis. My point is, we can win games without him and as shown last week, we can also play better when hes not there.
we miss him alot we werent our usual aggressive defense. I remember 1 third down where we rushed 2 people. It worked and it was brilliant by rex because nobody expected that but im sure if revis was on the field we would of blitzed like crazy that play and others.
Again, this is my point: cornerbacks don't have much control over the outcome of the game. A loss is a loss. Champ Bailey has undoubtedly helped the Broncos keep their losses respectable looking at times over the years instead of blowouts. That doesn't change the fact that with the exception of one year the Broncos have been a worse defense and a worse team with him in the defensive backfield than before they got him. Great player, yes, great contributor to wins, no. I disagree here. Rex Ryan has had other top 5 defenses without Revis. Ryan's teams will always rank well defensively, unless decimated by injuries, and that's a function of Ryan's greatness as a defensive mind more than any of the players he coaches. Bart Scott is a slightly above average player on almost any other team in the NFL. He's a very good player in Ryan's scheme. Jim Leonhard is an average player elsewhere at best and he's good in Ryan's scheme. The man makes defensive players better and that's why his defenses are great. Having Weatherford around solidifies the punting game immensely and makes the team more difficult to beat. That said, the difference between Weatherford and an average punter is likely zero wins over the course of a year. Some positions really help a team but don't directly lead to wins without a lot of support elsewhere. CB, WR and P are all in that category. The Steelers are 3-0 with a dominating defense that includes zero Pro Bowl caliber CB's. Pro Bowl caliber CB's are nice to have but they don't have the kind of impact on wins that Pro Bowl caliber front 7 players have. They don't have the impact on wins that Pro Bowl caliber safeties have. We would be just fine this year without Revis, right up until the moment we had to face Peyton Manning and his triplets, and even then if somebody else was hurt Revis would not save us. Getting a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker to rush the passer? That might save us against Manning but Revis is no guarantee and that's in the perfect matchup to prove his value. Explain last week against the Pats then. Revis goes out and suddenly the Jets defense shuts down arguably the best QB of our generation in the part of the game where he usually dominates. Jets + Revis = Brady good. Jets - Revis = Brady bad. Note that I'm not saying Revis is not a great player, I'm just saying he's great at a position where you don't need great to dominate and the best defenses tend to dominate elsewhere. The best CB's tend to be watching the Super Bowl from their couches while the best safeties play in the game. I'm disagree here. Somebody will win a Super Bowl this year and if it's not us they won't have Revis. Based on the hot teams early this year they won't likely even have a Pro Bowl CB unless we're the team that wins.
Some games yes, other games no. Yesterday, Revis could have made a tremendous impact on the game. God help us if we get to the playoffs and have to face the Colts without Revis. A great player does not make a great defense its true - but the great player allows the defensive coordinator and head coach to do more with their defense... they can scheme in ways that they couldn't without the player. This is most especially true in Rex's scheme where leaving Revis entirely alone on an island, a luxury most other teams don't have, allows him to concentrate 10 other guys on causing havoc and mayhem where normal defenses would have less due to the precautions they would need to take in the secondary. Rex didn't have a Revis caliber CB in Baltimore but who does? The corners he had were still very good corners - at least on par with what we have here behind Revis. You're absolutely right about Rex's defensive scheming and the fact that he's a defensive mastermind... but don't you believe that a defensive mastermind such as himself is absolutely giddy at the prospect of gameplanning when Revis is in the fold? Based on his talk all of last season I'd say yes. This is a ridiculous argument. You're comparing a punter whose been solid to a best at his position player who changes the way the Jets D plays and opposing offenses run their offenses. One goal of every team is to build up a unit that is balanced, or doesn't contain any "leaky faucets". The Jets have that in general, however if last night was any indication we certainly do have a leak in the secondary without Revis there. Teams make the best of what they've got. The Jets have Revis and rightly run their defense around him, or in the case of yesterday shift their defense to accommodate without him. I don't see how it can't be any more clear that the Jets are better off with him than without him. Sure, Pittsburgh doesn't have Pro Bowl caliber CBs, but they have Troy Polamalu. Elite safeties aren't exactly grown on trees, just like CBs. Pittsburgh has based their entire defense around what Polamalu does for them that other teams can't do with their safeties. Last year when Polamalu got hurt they took a significant step backwards as a unit. This year now that he's back and healthy they are playing like they're used to. Polamalu gives the front 7 the freedom to play more aggressively than it could without him. He is the key to that defenses success above all else. It can be good without him, but its great with him. They are very similar to the Jets in that regard. Last week was the result of only a half of gametime combined with the Jets adjustment and the Patriots lack of execution. Provided another opportunity to face a Revis-less secondary I have no doubt the Patriots would show why their passing game is so dangerous. One half of bad football on the Patriots part doesn't diminish what they are at all, or enhance what the Jets secondary is without Revis. Conventional wisdom such as you are prescribing to agrees with this. However most teams don't have the ability to take advantage of having a CB like Revis because often times the talent surrounding that CB is shit. Denver and Oakland don't exactly have barn burning defenses even with their elite CBs. The best example of a team that can take advantage of a player like that is the very one you gave earlier - the Steelers. They have a very good defense surrounding a top of the game elite talent in Troy Polamalu - and while a safety isn't exactly the same as a CB, he provides the same freedoms for the front 7 that Revis provides for the Jets. The fact is we have both the talent and the defensive masterminds to take advantage of Revis... it's a very rare situation in the NFL. Just because we have it and no one else does doesn't make it irrelevant. Any championship contender would love to have a player like Revis simply for what it could do to enhance their defense. Again, every team has to win with what they have. Even when teams don't have elite players at the position they usually have players who play exceptionally well - Tracy Porter and Darren Sharper being the most recent example. To dismiss CB entirely is foolish, especially when you consider how important passing is becoming in the NFL. There are far more elite receivers in the NFL than there are cornerbacks... so we have the rare ability to actually negate that advantage from the teams with those receivers.
Edge, I liked the rest of your post, too, but you really said it all in answer to Bradway in those two paragraphs. I read his posts and it's like WTF? He is obviously letting his feelings about Revis the person affect his posts.
