But it also shows that none of these QBs have excelled in his system. Not one of them has had a 300 yard game since 2006. the passing game is consistently terrible. If you have a system where the QB needs to learn it for 3 years in order for it to be successful, youre system is shit. For example: Schittenheimers.
I agree with all else you have been posting on this general subject, with two caveats: Running game. While Greene's fumbles and drop were a problem, the running game still averaged 5.5 per carry. So, better will have to mean no turnovers. It would be nice if better meant better than 5.5, but that's not a bad number by any means. Pre-snap motions. I agree nothing is gained by bringing the clock down to zero, but what is gained, I think the hope is, anyway, is that Sanchez might see something in the D's reactions that shows what D they are playing, and can audible accordingly. Of course that didn't seem to help, but I don't know that the motion was at fault. I have tremendous respect for Gruden, and heard his comments loud and clear. But even Gruden is not going to lambast Sanchez too much, and Sanchez imo was a big problem Monday night.
I know I am pretty alone on this, but I like Shotty. In the offseason I was praying he wouldn't take the Bills head coaching job. I think with the lack of weapons the Jets have had the past few years, he's been forced to find different ways of picking up yards and sustaining drives. Now with arguably the best defense in the league, you don't want to take risks with what is still a young and inexperienced QB. If it weren't for that cheesy running into the kicker penalty (along with a bunch of other pathetic penalties), we win that game against one of the best defenses in the league with 9 points. In retrospect we obviously should have opened up the offense, but they went the conservative route and it happened to backfire last week. Hopefully they are quicker to change strategy when it is needed next time. I'm sure Rex and Shotty both learned a lot from that loss.
Big problem with this is that Pennington ran the system well in year one with very little talent around him. It's easy to say the system is too complicated but I don't think it is. The way I see it the one year that Schotty had a capable starter running the system it worked well. I know the offense didn't rank that well that year but if you think about what the offense looked like in 2005 that first year was brilliant. Now the only other capable starter that has put in time with the system is Sanchez and I don't think it's a stretch to say he would probably be struggling with any system this early in his second year in the league. Schotty certainly seems to have issues with stubbornly trying to make his system work even when it is painfully obvious that it isn't but too many respected people in football see him as great football mind for me to write off his offense as shit. I thought he had finally learned to fit his system to Sanchez instead of trying to make Mark fit his system but I guess he needed another wake up call on that one.
Sanchez coming back is like the kid coming back after summer break having forgotten most of what he learned last year in school. BS might have anticipated this, but I am not sure what else could have been done to prepare.
I know...it's a crime but even a broken clock..... I posted the link to it because it was an article of facts, not full of opinion. If anyone is wondering, here is the article. >> NO 300 yard games since 2006 <<
You're making it really easy not to waste my time on you. I don't agree. What I see Sanchez as is a prototypically built version of the kind of QB Schottenheimer needs for his scheme. A cerebral QB with the arm to make an occasional long throw, and the accuracy to make all the intermediates. In order to be effective in Schotty's offense the QB has to be able to go through his progressions. That involves a need for solid line play, (which overall we get) and a confident QB who is not afraid to make mistakes and take chances. Right now Sanchez isn't going through the progressions and anyone who didn't see the fear in him on Monday night wasn't watching the game.
I don't think Sanchez has forgotten anything from last year. I think he's trying to remember all that stuff and now incorporate a bunch of new stuff and he's doing all of that while having to deal with the tactical situation that the defense creates from play to play. He looked brain-locked at times on Monday and the offense as a whole looked sluggish and sloppy. There's something to be said for just going out there and playing football instead of having each snap turn into a 39 second battle with eternity.
Youre making it really easy to see that trying to knock sense into you is useless. If you have a legit response, stop deflecting and respond. This is the second time already. Just admit you have no answer, or continue to look foolish. Men lie women lie numbers dont :breakdance:
I just don't see how it is possible to send your QB out there for an entire game looking as lost as Sanchez did. You would think at some point in the game Schotty would have realized that what he was trying to do wasn't working and maybe gotten some input from Sanchez on what he would feel comfortable running on the next drive. It's hard to believe that Sanchez is that uncomfortable with everything in the playbook when facing some pressure from the defense.
I really don't think Sanchez looked lost out there... it seemed more like he was following orders to check out to a safer play if it didn't look perfect and if he couldn't find the wide open guy downfield, to check it down. What I'd like to see this week is Sanchez go to the line, just hike the damn ball and hand it off to the ground and pound. We should be able to run all over NE.
I didn't think he looked lost, I thought he looked scared. Again, he just wasn't bothering with his progressions. If his primary target wasn't immediately available he was dumping it off. I don't even think it was a product of handcuffing, just fear. I mean, I don't blame him. If I had Ngata chasing me I'd just crap my pants and hand him the ball. It's not a very effective tactic for winning football games though. I agree we should be pounding the ball more against NE. There is no reason Sanchez should be throwing on half of our offensive plays. That's going to mean Greene has to keep his hands on the ball though. LT is still good, but he can't carry the entire load.
My point about Sanchez not being Peyton Manning is that he's never going to be the kind of QB who can methodically call the play at the line of scrimmage, making adjustments as needed, and then just drop back and execute. He's not that kind of QB. He's too short for one thing. Peyton Manning has brilliant lines of sight available from the pocket because he's 6'5". He doesn't have to scramble ever to make a line of sight adjustment and he sees the whole field. Sanchez is much more like the guys I listed, who had to move sometimes just to see the field better on a play. If the Jets are trying to turn Sanchez into a pocket QB who doesn't use his feet to create openings then this whole thing is pretty doomed from the start. If he had a cannon for an arm like Drew Brees we might get somewhere with that but he doesn't.
Yeah, I mentioned this during the game toward the last 5 minutes.. I thought the same thing - why don't we use a hurry up offense. That's a hell of a lot better choice when it comes to putting a defense on its heels to me, rather than the gimmicky snap counts and motions. A top rated D isn't going to make a lot of mistakes in the penalty area like that. But if you get them running there is a chance someone will slip and screw up.
3rd response with no reply. Youd think if it was so easy, you wouldve given reasons 2 posts ago :rofl:
I think Mark can make plays on the run. But here's the thing - he just had surgery on his knee. He wears a brace. The CS knows this. And has to take it into account. More generally I think the NFL is a league where Qb's who scramble and run alot can have success, but in the long run their effectiveness is at risk because that style of play increases the risk of injury. That risk coupled with the corresponding increase of experience playing as a pocket passer is why we see many Qb's who come in as scramblers develop into pocket passers. And those who can't for the most part end up not lasting as long. Mark may not have Brees's arm. But he's not a weak armed Pennington clone, either. I doubt the CS thinks the notion of him improving as a pocket passer is doomed from the start. And I certainly hope it isn't.
