Check downs aren't a bad thing

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  1. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    He had to do something. Flacco and the Ravens were bombing away all game long at single coverage and while they made mistakes at least they gained some yards.

    It was really quite pathetic watching the Ravens run a QB sneak and dive forward for a yard because they were more scared of letting the Jets defense make a play at that point then they were of punting from inside their own 5 and giving the Jets the ball on the Ravens 40 to start a drive knowing they were only going to give up a FG at worst.
     
  2. NDmick

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    All game I was screaming for a tone to be set. Establish something... but nothing was established. I agree that it really did look like the offense was called on a play-by-play basis with no gameplan.

    I just don't know what the fuck to think anymore. Things weren't this bad last year with Cutesy and Sanchez, and they faced tougher secondaries.
     
  3. FOURTHANDLONG

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    We have a first place schedule. The truth comes out this year. Period end of story.
     
  4. Noam

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    One has to remember that last year check downs were a weakness of Sanchez. He would would only look to his first and second targets and almost never check down to the back. LT was brought in primarily to give him a checkdown option and improve that part of Sanchez's game. But I guess the problem is by focusing checking down he is losing his abiltiy to push the ball up the field. A good and a bad thing as he makes so many mistakes trying to force the ball into coverage.

    Against the Ravens in theory the Jets O will not have to do much but to keep up, but with the Pats offense next week, Sanchez may need to throw the ball down the field. Which will hopefully make checking down to LT more of a successful option.
     
  5. WhiteShoeWillis

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    actually we have a second place schedule.
     
  6. Pete Carroll

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    His one deep completion was brought back on a penalty smh Shaun Hill empathizes
     
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    They are when the other team knows your going to them 9times out of 10.
     
  8. Vorrecht

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    Yeah, have any of you guys ever heard of predictability?
     
  9. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    I think you guys need to look deeper into what the game plans were before commenting instead of making blanket posts. The first read wasn't the checkdown. It seemed pretty clear to me that they asked Sanchez to get the ball out of his hands quickly to the checkdown if his primary target was covered.
     
  10. StreetFighterJet

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    Why draft a QB with that pick if you just want a check down machine?

    We know Sanchez can throw, that pass to Keller that was called back was excellent. Schotty and Rex have this kid so scared to make a mistake that his first read is probably a check down.

    I don't know what types of routes we were running last night from the TV coverage, but it did not seem that a lot of times Sanchez even gave anyone a chance to run much of a route as he was flinging it to the HB almost instantly.
     
  11. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Did they throw checkdown passes all season last year? My memory must be bad, because I am pretty certain they had Sanchez throwing it all over the place. Even when they went to the color coded strategy. So, now in year two they've decided that it's best for Sanchez to just checkdown? I'm fairly certain that is not the case and it's much more likely that it was part of the gameplan to get the ball out of his hands quickly playing against this pass rush.
     
  12. Vorrecht

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    So basically his primary target was covered on almost every play. Yeah, so much for the Raven's "depleted' secondary.
     
  13. Pete Carroll

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    That or a linebacker/lineman was in his face before he could take a look
     
  14. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    He targeted the receivers 8 times of his 21 pass attempts and targeted Keller 5 times. 13 of his 21 attempts went to our receivers. Seeing that we currently don't have our / a #3 receiver that's not bad.
     
  15. StreetFighterJet

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    Well I hope we can both agree that whatever the offensive game plan was last night, it was terrible.

    We should attack the weakness of the defense, in this case being the secondary, but instead we attacked the strength of their defense, the front 7...

    If our offensive coordinator cannot create an attack to exploit the weakness of a defensive front then that is a poor job by him, and if the play calls were good but were not executed properly then that is a poor job by the QB.

    Take your pick, was it the gameplan that was poor or the execution, or both? Either way, it was horrid, and in no way shape or form should you be able to justify that approach, because I think the results where historically bad.
     
  16. GreenHornet27

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    All last night did for me is help to ramify the fact that Brian Schottenheimer is a dipshit of a play caller. I used to think so when Pennington and Martin led the offense. I began to realize it even more when Farve and Jones were back there. Now, after last night, I know it to be true.

    It is the same effing thing with this guy year after year. It does not matter if your QB is a rising star with a weak arm, a veteran with a gun, or a rookie with lack of experience. It does not matter if your RB is veteran with moves, or a beast that pounds it down the opponents throats. Brian Schottenhemier can NOT call a fucking offense.

    When you see your 3rd down back on the field for 1st and 2nd down, and then you throw in your 1st down back and run him on out route on 3rd and long when the guy doesnt catch, he runs it up the gut, there are gonna be problems. When you don't establish the pass early against an injured, and depleted secondary which was the Ravens only weakness going into last nights game, and not once was exploited, there are gonna be problems.

    Sanchez has much to learn, and he may have been nervous last night. There were stupid mistakes and penalties that surely cost the team, and gave the win to Baltimore on a silver platter. Baltimore would not have looked any better on offense than the Jets last night had they not had all those calls awarded to them. They were 3rd and long on something like 15 attempts. 50 percent of them were awarded a first down without having to do a thing. Take those away and the score would have been drastically altered and the Ravens would be talking about how piss poor their offense was.

    All that aside, the GLARING problem that has been the one constant in all the personnel changes in the past several years is Brian FUCKING Schottenheimer. The dude has no script and his play calling is so predictable anymore it is a joke because he has thrown the same garbage play out there year after year. I want Rex to take over OC responsibilities for the rest of the season. Brian is a dipshit. If that happens there will be no more stalling offensive drives on every goddamn possession.

    I can handle a loss to start the season. But the play calling last night was pitiful.
     
  17. Fiftynine

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    Chad technically never 'checked down'. He could only throw it about 8, 9yards downfield max. What you call a check down for most QBs is for Chad a downfield pass.
     
  18. Sundayjack

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    I agree with it all, except I can't imagine wanting Rex to take over the offense. Maybe he's some sort of offensive genius and we just don't know it, but I'd prefer not to test it out. There are three coaches on staff who have coordinated offenses in the NFL. I'd like to know how in unison those three noggins are.

    P.S. If you haven't already, search this board for the story of another dude with the name GreenHornet. It's a doozy.
     
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    Best post of this thread.
     
  20. neid92

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    Coach Rex Ryan suggested Tuesday that free agent Laveranues Coles could be brought back to help the Jets' passing game.
    If Ryan thought Coles could really cure what ails Mark Sanchez, the veteran would have been on the roster in the first place. If Coles is re-signed, it's because the Jets won't have to guarantee his salary now that the first game is in the books.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&line=181921&majteam=NYJ
     

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