You should probably try reading the thread next time. I've already countered every single one of those points a dozen times. Every single one.
half your post is laden with $$$$$$$$$$. I had no clue what the thread was about. I agree with that fact that this team will go as far as Sanchez takes them, but I to sift through a bunch of symbols is just not the way to start a thread. Its irritates the shit out of me personally, and I think it ruins quality posters. My badge is nice and shiny, KMart sells them. I'll add to the $$$ thread. Sanchez hasn't looked like a fifth year QB because he's a 2nd year QB before his 2nd regular season, so he's really a 1.2 year QB. He's completed 64.5% of his passes. That's the most important stat in the preseason. He also has a 1:1 ratio. By doing that, the defense and special teams can all add up to a 10-12 win team.
Yes. He is, although not nearly as much as the fans would seem to like to think. At his position, and with his role in the defense, the preseason isn't worth nearly as much as it is for other players. There's one...ONE...player whose development he's hurting, and only for this season. That's Kyle Wilson. However, if Revis comes back and is signed for the long term, Wilson's going to be our #2 corner starting next year. His lack of preseason at the nickel isn't a long term concern. Sure, you can make a case that it would be nice for Sanchez and Edwards to go up against Revis in camp. I just don't think it's that much of an impact. Again, he's working out. IMO, he'll be back in a week and he won't lose a step. And for the record, in the unlikely situation that his hold out goes into the season, I don't think he'll be actively rooting against the Jets in the way so many have characterized. I think he looks at it as an unfortunate consequence of his contract negotiations. It's the business side, and believe it or not, these guys do treat and look at the two sides differently. Either way, I'd hope it got shoved down his throat when we start 3 - 0.
is it possible to know who won the turnover battle in those games? I can imagine every time the Jets won the turnover battle they won. Maybe lost one or two games.
So first he was rooting against everyone on the team that isn't involved in writing his contract, and now he's hoping for injuries. How many more times do I have to respond to these comments before Revis masterminds a Paul Castellano-esque assassination of Mark Sanchez? Ever notice how every biased opinion tries to defend itself with this line?
It's impossible to quantify the negative impact he's imposing on the team right now, the point is that he has made the decision that he is more important than the team and is in fact hurting the team. He hasn't gone this far to not be "all-in" and rooting for his cause. His cause, if it comes down to that, will rely on the Jets losing - so I think it's a pretty logical conclusion to assume he'll be rooting for his cause.
It's late so I'm not going to go looking but I would guess that every time the Jets won the turnover battle last year they also won the game. The point I was trying to make is that it is a pipedream to think that the Jets will get positive results next year if Mark Sanchez is still throwing more than a pick a game given that they won no games last year when that happened. Too many people think the Jets pass defense can win them a Super Bowl, when in fact that's probably the last thing on the list that they need, after a good offense and a good run defense. If Sanchez is good to go and if the run defense is better than it was last year, then the pass defense becomes really important. If either of the first two are not there then the pass defense can be one of the best of all time and the Jets still go 9-7 or so.
Assuming he holds out into the season, yes, he wants his money and he's consciously made the decision that whatever it takes to get that money is what he wants to happen. Why would anyone think that he wouldn't want the Jets to lose in that scenario? The only chance he would have of getting what he wants at that point is if the Jets lose or a CB gets injured.
Just keep living in your cozy little world where Revis holds out into the season and wants the Jets to win. It makes a lot of sense.
I don't pretend to know how this is going to end, but one thing that I will say is that I highly doubt he's rooting for the teammates that he wants to rejoin and the coach that he loved playing for to falter and lose so he can come back to a team that has less chance of winning a title than they did before he showed up. If the Jets keep losing then he's even less likely to get his money this season. Why pay him when we're already dropped 4 games and basically assured our spot in the top 20? Does this guarantee of yours come with any type of warranty?
You're right. The only people I've heard attempt to quantify that negative impact have been fans. Again, I don't think it comes down to that. There have been a lot of assumptions about what Revis believes and what Revis thinks and what Revis wants and where Revis is willing to go to get it. The only thing I know, and again it's just what we've all heard secondhand, is that Revis wants 10 years, $162 million. That is certainly absurd. I haven't heard Revis say anything about what he's willing to do to get it. It's all assumption. What I do know is that he's held out into the preseason. What I've been also been told is that it's not nearly as harmful as it would be if he played any other position outside of kicker and punter. Given the lower premium placed on the preseason for an island of a corner, I choose to believe that he's willing to miss the entire preseason in order to get as much as he can. I have heard nothing to lead me to believe that he intends to hold out into the regular season. Just wild speculation based on other guys in different situations, assumptions as to Revis's true and malicious character, and heavy doses of emotional response.
2.5 pts at the level the two teams performed at is effectively 20%. That's a lot. The Bucs pass defense was also significantly better than the Jets, as silly as that sounds given the Jets dominance last year. The Bucs intercepted 31 passes and as a result their pass rat against was 10 points lower than the Jets at 48.8.
I never said he would hold out into the regular season. I'm talking about what would happen if he did. The only thing that makes sense in that scenario is that he needs the Jets to lose to get what he wants; therefore he would want the Jets to lose. It's not about being a bad guy, it's about being selfish. Revis has bumped a rookie CB out of his slotted role at nickle CB. That's a different position that he needs time to learn, especially with Welker/Edleman week 2. There's also the strong possibility that the Jets have installed new defensive schemes that Revis has no idea about and/or no experience with. There's also the possibility that Wilson and Cromartie could be soaking in information from Revis. I think you're underestimating the impact of his absence at this stage in the game. Physically, Revis on an island shouldn't miss much of a beat other than the possibility of missing plays due to being out of football shape. That would be another impact on the team.
I agree with the first part. Our success absolutely hinges on whether Sanchez improves on last season, particularly in terms of the turnovers. I don't think any rational person is suggesting that the pass defense will win a Super Bowl. A solid passing defense, however, is integral in the current NFL, and suggesting that it's the last thing the Jets need...I think you know better. If you're arguing that Revis won't be the most important player on the team, I agree. It's tough, however, to argue that our pass defense is unimportant given how we lost in the postseason. We've upgraded significantly given Revis returns, and possibly even if he doesn't. With so many of the top teams in the AFC relying heavily on the passing game, we're going to need the improved defensive backfield. As far as the run defense, I'm not sure how much improved you feel it needs to be. This was a Top 10 defense in rushing yards per game and a Top 5 defense in rushing yards per attempt last season. Given the absence of Jenkins, I'd say it held up remarkably well. Don't let a couple of good rushing performances fool you.
